385 Comments

• Paul Klein said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  Thank you for the bold approach to this issue. I have spent time in the Warrior Forum, and I typically do not look to do swaps with unfamiliar people. Most people I trust are those I have known awhile, or have met at events and keep in touch with.

  I know Paul, though not personally as you do, and know he is an extremely trustworthy and well-like individual. I respect the work he does. I am saddened to see him scammed this way.

  The gall of some of these people, especially in the IM arena is getting out of hand. Some of us know of a few unscrupulous individuals out there that have used various aliases, and keep clear of them.

  Keep up your terrific work and information dissemination.

  Best,
  Paul Klein

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  • Eric said:
    

    Thanks Paul!

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    • d3so said:
      

      That sucks. I’ve never been scammed before. I somehow ended up on Andy’s list last month. Good thing I immediately unsubcribed.

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  • Paul Counts said:
    

    Thanks Paul for the kind words! I really appreciate it. It was a great learning experience and something I am glad Eric can bring to light in this way so others don’t fall into this same trap.

    It is truly sad how much of this stuff is going on out there. It takes a few people like this to give an entire industry a bad name which is why these people need to be stopped and bringing it out in the open like this is a huge first step!

    Thanks Eric for taking this issue publicly to help others out and thanks for all the comments and support here!

    Paul

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  • Nick said:
    

    Yes, Paul I agree with your statement about doing swaps with people you know… that is a great strategy.

    When looking for new adswap partners I like to ask people that I have been swapping with to recommend honest people. Works like a charm! =)

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• Trisno Yudiantoro said:
  

  Thank you for your article about Confessions of an Internet Marketing Scammer.
  It’s usefull for me to doing my online business.

  Have a good day Eric!

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• Dave said:
  

  Hi Eric
  To the point..this guy should be tracked down and taken out to the woods and shot
  Thanks
  Dave

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  • Grant Callant said:
    

    Yep… that’s really frank, but frankly, that needs to be done a little bit more by the justice system.

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• Robert Wright said:
  

  Once again, Thank you Eric for this eye-opening post on what goes on behind the scenes in the Internet Marketing world.

  You’re one of the good ones.

  Robert Wright

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• Linda said:
  

  I am completely shocked by this so called Andy guy. I cannot believe he admitted he is a scammer and that his name is not Andy, but yet he signs his name Andy..lol.

  Someone should make a list up of all his fake identities so that everyone can be on the look out for them. Even though I am sure he dreams up a dozen more every hour.

  I also think that Paul should get his IP address from his emails and find out who he really is and get this guy arrested. He needs to be STOPPED!!

  I feel sorry for everyone who got scammed and thankfully I have not done any ad swaps because I fear that I will too get scammed as I have heard about others - well probably the same guy. How do you know who is legit anymore??

  Thanks for posting this!
  Linda

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  • Jeff - Performance Marketing said:
    

    Here here… it is more then possible and certainly considered theft under?? or in this case could actually be theft over since he is admitting to multiple scams..

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  • Nancy Radlinger said:
    

    WOW I have to agree with Linda here - this guy needs to be stopped and with the dollar amounts that I’m seeing here some would be more than petty theft - it’s a shame that this guy has no morals and is raising a kid in that enviroment - shame, shame, shame.

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• Ken Harthun said:
  

  All I can say is OMFG, the state of IM is even worse than I thought. The arrogant SOB is really only a low-life criminal con man. If I didn’t know better, I’d say it sounds an awful lot like a guy named Matt LaClear (probably not a real name, either) who scammed a bunch of people I know in 2009/2010.

  Thanks, Eric! I’ll be in touch in another channel. I need honest marketers to join my Skype channel.

  Ken Harthun
  The Internet Marketing Geek

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  • John Reed said:
    

    Hi Ken, sorry to hear you had an unfortunate experience with Matt LaClear. I paid him nearly $40 to put up a Blog for me with one unique article and then add backlinks till it reached Page One for its main keyword.
    It reached Page One after about 4 months, so as far as I’m concerned he met his end of the deal and there was no sign of a scam throughout our email correspondence since September last.
    Yours
    John O’York

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    • Ken Harthun said:
      

      John, sorry, but $40 is a drop in the bucket and the truth be known, if it took 4 months to get to page one, he didn’t give you any backlinks. He made $40 for about five minutes worth of work. He took a friend of mine for several thousand dollars and didn’t deliver anything but a few lousy, useless pages. I was smart enough not to get taken, but he wasted a lot of my time.

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  • Charles Halstead said:
    

    Can you give me a read on http://WWW.HOLLYLORENE.COM. I have been trying to get into Internet Marketing, but I need 1 on 1 to stay out of the scams. All I get is info she must be trying to sell to me.
    Your help would be appreciated.

    Thank You,
    Charles

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    • Micah said:
      

      Hello Charles,

      That link is just pulling up a broken opt-in page currently.

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• Steve said:
  

  The truth will make you free. It doesn’t matter if it is business or marriage, trust is made by truth, not deception. What you sow, you reap, more than you sow, later than you sow.

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  • Lloyd C. Kenfield said:
    

    I hope people like John Paul Raygozza and “Success Rate”, and his other cohorts get theirs. While I have trouble understanding and folowing through on instructions I was shocked to find out he is money laundering and racketeering. You are absoltely right about sowing and reaping.

    Lloyd

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• Roy Babineaux said:
  

  Thank you for exposing these low life scammers! Great job!

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• eMarie said:
  

  Thanks for the warning. Wow! Some people really have a lot of nerve. I have been scammed online a few times myself and now I have gotten better at spotting the scams. I hope that guy loses everything that he scammed out of people.

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• Greg Meares said:
  

  WOW! I know many people that have fallen into bad times. It’s not a fun position to be in trust me I’ve been there but I can honestly say that never have me or my friends made the decision to take the wrong path.

  Too bad some folks have low morals!

  Greg

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• CPA Networks said:
  

  Wow, it is people like this that give IM a bad name and makes it harder for the little guy. It is unbelievable that he tries to justify his actions at all. Some people have nerve. Great story to help others be aware of scammers. Thanks Matt

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• Bertram said:
  

  Wow, this is a deep one Eric! I don’t do ad swaps, but I sure don’t feel safe from dirty scammers like this either! Just another reason why I have followed you from the beginning.

  Thanks for “exposing” this and letting us in on the scam Eric. Someone has to get it through this guys head that he needs to be accountable for his actions!

  So does it sound to you like he thinks he’s the ONLY one who has fallen on hard times? Or that he’s the ONLY one who has a family to support?

  There’s NO justification for STEALING!

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• mike moore said:
  

  Thanks for sharing Eric.It is amazing what people are capable of to gain the almighty dollar.I need money probably just as bad as the scammer does but that doesn’t justify me going to the bank and robbing it just because I can.Doesn’t mean I can scam somebody online and then brag how smart I am in doing so! wow…some people

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• Carroll Alexander said:
  

  Thank you, Eric.

  Surely the Warrior Forum can track this guy down.

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• Paul said:
  

  Wow…what a crock of bull. Please tell me…is this guy name really Andy Tudor? I do NOT think it is.

  Could it be a BIG time Internet Marketing Guru? Sure would like to know?

  Paul

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  • Eric said:
    

    No that’s not his real name, as far as I know. I don’t know his real name.

    I do not get the impression that it’s a big time guru. For one thing, they all have lists already. But this guy does seem to really know IM, and been around it awhile.

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• Louis Conjar said:
  

  I have been scammed and cheated also by several internet marketers (including 2 very well known “gurus”).

  This is a disgrace, to say the least. It also hurts those of us who work so hard to build trusting relationships.

  I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if this particular scammer’s initials were KR. He has ripped me off twice and goes by different names, so I guess it’s “shame on me” since I let him do it to me twice. I guess it’s one of the prices we pay to build a successful business. But, it’s very sad.

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• Pawel Reszka said:
  

  Insane! Although this is not very surprising. I think I have been scammed by a well known warrior before that sold solo ads, but I decided not to make a lot of noise about it because I had no real proof. His traffic came from some weird site and not from email addresses so that’s how I knew something wasn’t right. After that I stopped buying solo ads and do swaps with people.

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• Brian said:
  

  I believe “what goes around comes around” He will get his in the end.

  Trust is so hard to come by these days, and now it just got a little tougher.

  What a shame!

  Thanks for the warning!

  Give my condolences to Paul.

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• MM said:
  

  The problem with a sociopath (look it up) like this is that it makes people distrustful of ANY online business offers.

  I’m afraid I have become very cynical in looking for help for my own fledgling online business.

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• SEO Company said:
  

  The only recourse Paul and the other 58 victims has is to email their lists and apologize for exposing them to a scammer, offer them a gift and instruct them all to unsubscribe from Andy’s list. That way at least Andy will not have a list and if he gets subscribers wholesale unsubscribing maybe Aweber will suspend his account.

  Thanks for sharing this info. At least everyone can be a bit more wary before falling for the same scam.

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  • Dany said:
    

    I like these ideas.

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    • Eric said:
      

      Me too. Also it should be pretty easy to track down the AWeber account. I’m friends with the guys at AWeber, so I’ll see what I can do in that regard.

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      • Rob Toth said:
        

        Precisely.

        Just shut him down. Aweber should work to track down his account(s) and close them. His hosting provider (where-ever the squeeze pages that his ad-swaps were promoting are) should shut him down… his PayPal should block him… Warrior Forum can close his current accounts and release a public statement on WF regarding this practice (this isn’t a new scam, but “newbies” aren’t aware of it and even experienced marketers can often have too much trust in users) .

        This is unfortunate. Scamming/conning exists in every industry. As do inbred low-life no ethic bastards.

        If I were at PayPal loss prevention, I’d also want to contact any banks and credit card companies that his account is linked to and show them these posts. Freeze his accounts.

        Not to mention get law enforcement involved. If the FTC is chasing up honest marketers for unclear verbiage on their salespages, they better damn well get to work and shut down people like this and put him in jail.

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        • Nancy Radlinger said:
          

          Oh I like this one and would love to see someone like this loose the list he got in a dishonest way - would serve him right. And then to have the nerve to say this after all he’s done - “I suggest you get onto your credit card company Socrates, it’s obviously a bad sign if you had to use a CREDIT card to purchase a solo ad, what’s wrong? Out of money? I hope you starve.”

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• Graham Price said:
  

  Wow Eric, and some people wonder why this industry has a bad rep !

  As you rightly point out though there are also many legitimate marketers out there, thankfully. I myself have done very successful ad-swaps via the Warrior forum and have excellent feedback to prove it.

  We all know that it does go on though it is just that we very rarely see the detail of it documented as you have and I for One appreciate your efforts in that.

  I can only add to your advice in that everyone should use ultimate caution, ask for proof including names of satisfied partnerships, deals etc. etc. etc.

  I do realise and accept that nobody can be 100% bullet proof against tried and practised scammers but due dilligence is certainly not to be understated here in an effort to bannish these people out of this industry.

  I am all for “Naming & Shaming” it is just a pity that this worthless scammer cannot be hung out to dry in my book !

  Many thanks Eric.

  Kindest Regards - Graham

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• Eric Sterling said:
  

  That is too bad. I have been a customer of several counts/wellman products and I appreciate the quality of the product as well as the non-hypeyness they project.

  So what does one do? I have never done an ad swap, but now I would be even more wary of entering into any deals with somebody making an offer on Warrior Forum.

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• Michael said:
  

  Thank for the tip and info

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• Tom Brownsword said:
  

  Eric,

  Thanks for sharing this. You could have used this space for many other purposes but chose to use it to warn others instead.

  I see lots of scams in my business and I deeply appreciate when people like you (i.e. well-known, successful marketers) use their influence and marketing “clout” to warn others about this type of stuff. May many others follow your example.

  Best regards,
  Tom Brownsword, CISSP, GCIA, Security+, ITILv3
  Certified Computer Security Professional

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• Philip C. said:
  

  There has got to be a way to track this idiot. IP address or whatever, but, there has definitely got to be a way.

  You know, I grew up in one crazy-a**ed barrior in Santa Ana, California. You know what we call people like “Andy Tudor”? Dead. In the literal sense.

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• Anders said:
  

  Stay away from ad swaps. A scammer with guts:-) the guys at jvnotify pro seems like angels in comparison with their $37 dollar push button software+ endless upsell products.

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  • Rob Toth said:
    

    What does JVNotify Pro, a reputable forum and community with a lot of honest members, have to do with junk products?

    And certainly what does the efficient business tactic of upsells (something that’s common in all areas of commerce) have to do with unethical blatant lies)?

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• Philip C. said:
  

  Typo. I meant to say “barrio”. Anyhow, people would be referring to “Andy” in the past tense.

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• David T. McKee said:
  

  I agree with Steve above - the fact that this con man flaunts his criminal activity shows that he has gotten away with this for some time, unfortunately. Personally, I would not JV or swap with anyone who I have not personally either purchased products from or otherwise partnered with (reports, memberships, whatever). Not to say that a con person could not do this - but I believe that the kind of person who con’s is not capable of creating real value, even for a future con. My opinion of course, YMMV.

  -David T. McKee

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• Victor said:
  

  Thanks Eric. In every industry, there is a scammer, just that in IM it is so much easier to scam people.

  What is important is there are people like Paul and yourself who are willing to come out and stand up to such unethical people.

  I hope that all who read this article will also spread the news in some way.

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• Grant said:
  

  Well done, Eric for posting this and throwing caution out there. “Andy” isn’t done by a long shot nor does he care at all and for some, I can see them falling into a further trap with him again because that is what he is trying to do to Paul. Kind of a screw me once, your fault, screw me twice my fault situation and I’d say he likely does get away with the screw me twice deals as well with some of his victims unfortunately as his stuff is very planned and methodical like he’s saying.

  I’d also like to take the time to thank you for what you do and helping others like me to learn IM from an honest and obviously caring person like yourself. I am very much the same way as you and look forward to, through your lessons, cresting the hill soon and doing this as ethically as you have.

  So thanks, I really mean that. I really appreciate the information you provide and have grown great respect for you for this. I follow your lessons everyday and look forward to coming home from work and studying the next one.

  Thanks again,
  Grant

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• brian said:
  

  Thx. for this Eric. I was staggered by the scale of “Andy’s” moral deficit. We have him in our sites.

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• Phil Cullum said:
  

  The venue (in this case, Warrior Forum) has some obligation (IMHO) to protect its users from people like this. It’s also in their economic interest since they will lose customers if they let this continue.

  In that regard, I like Ebay’s policy of reimbursing a buyer for money taken through a scam. I have bought backlinks and other marketing support on Ebay.

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  • Mark Andrews IMCopywriting said:
    

    The Warrior Forum from my personal experience doesn’t care at all about protecting ordinary, honest folks in business.

    They take a very lax attitude towards scammers either turning a blind eye to the problem altogether or condemning anyone for exposing a scammer.

    A few people including myself have been banned from that forum for exposing scammers in the past. Their #1 rule essentially protects scammers from being exposed.

    A totally irresponsible approach if you ask me but there you go. There’s no point to be gained sending in a complaint at the Warrior Forum, it’ll just fall on deaf ears because they won’t recognize that the problem exists in the first place.

    The entire Warrior Forum is filled with get rich quick scams of one kind or another which in the real business world have little or no chance of success, unless you too want to sell people on false dreams and false promises.

    Just look at the sheer number of WSO offers promising to make huge sums of money at the click or two of the mouse, it’s simply an absurd marketplace.

    Fair enough there are lots of honest people there too but overall that forum is nothing but a cesspit of get rich quick schemes.

    Money comes through hard work and real marketing and building solid relationships not clicking a mouse once or twice here and there.

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    • Malcolm said:
      

      Ahoy! Why did you sign up with ‘Pete Walker’ as the new nickname then? Didn’t have much success flogging your flop copy in “real world”?

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• Jorge Delgado said:
  

  it’s incredible…too many scammers out there!

  thanks for sharing
  Jorge

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• Mary Blackburn said:
  

  Eric,

  At least Paul knew that he had been scammed. Why can’t these people put all their knowledge to a good use instead of to hurt others? Andy says, “I dislike working in this dishonest way.” REALLY? Are you kidding me?

  I am now going through my Clickbank account being suspended because someone, somehow scammed my vendors account. I’m so new to this I have no idea what to do.

  I did a lot of guest blogging over the first weekend of March to help get the word out about my e-cookbook. I got 20 sales over the first weekend of March.

  Clickbank is now telling me that all of those sales were frudulent, (this was my very first ebook for sale ever). They supposedly reviewed the sales and are now saying that I am a spammer, and refunded all sales. I don’t even know how that is possible since I didn’t send out any emails to my list. Just guest blogged on 3 different blogs. Plus, I don’t know if all those people downloaded my book and now have it for free.

  My account is now suspended, they refunded all my sales and I can’t get any answers. As a new vendor marketer this is extremely frustrating and disappointing. I am guilty before I can even make my case.

  As this “Andy” says, I too have a family that is falling on hard times right now. Because of people like him I have lost revenue that I was counting on to pay my bills. Am I supposed to feel sorry for his partner, Annie and his 4 yr old Jasmine? It “AIN’T HAPPENING”. I do feel sorry for Jasmine, growing up with a criminal as a father. Yes Andy, you are a criminal!

  I also feel sorry for Paul and hope that he can recoup his losses.

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  • Bolaji said:
    

    Wow - that bites, Mary!

    Sorry for the unfortunate turn of events.
    Don’t give up - keep your head up. This will turn out for the best in the end, as long as you stick with it.

    Bolaji.

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  • Foufine said:
    

    Mary, my heart goes out to you. I too I’m trying to get something going and it’s hard. Don’t get discouraged, if you got a good product you’ll get something back in the end.

    And maybe some day, you will create a wildly successful e-book “How I got scammed and what I did to survive it” …

    Best wishes !!!

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  • Cheryl Wright said:
    

    Mary, I had a similar problem with Clickbank, but not as bad as yours.

    I had a dormant account (with no merchant account) I was trying to resurrect. I paid for the merchant facilities but Clickbank wouldn’t activate it.

    Finally I wrote to them and asked what was going on. They said I’d been spamming, which was totally untrue.

    So I told them it wasn’t right, and they needed to prove it.

    Of course they couldn’t, so they backed down.

    I hate Clickbank with avengence and only use it because affiliates insist on using it.

    In my opinion, Clickbank are control freaks. They refund all the time because they can. What they need is for marketers to stand up to them - and ultimately go elsewhere when possible. (No business for them would result in policy changes.)

    Eric, thank you so much for telling us about this guy. I think I may have had correspondence with him on the WF. He kept PM’ing me over and over until I ignored him.

    He is so overconfident that he has obviously done this dozens of times, if not more.

    It would be very helpful if his aliases were posted…

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  • Richard Farley said:
    

    Whoops! Wrong reply button the first time!

    Mary, you don’t need Clickbank. Set up your own affiliate system. You can do so easily with a Wordpress plugin like ‘Instant Action Profits’ or something similar and I, if you come to my website and contact me, as I’m sure will others here, will be happy to become affiliates and help you promote your e-cookbook a little bit.

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• Angel Rivera said:
  

  Great Article,Eric! Keep up the good informative warnings. Hangthem high!

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• John said:
  

  It seems the amounts involved all qualify for small claims court, individually, but collectively amount to a significant amount of money. But bringing an action is probably moot. This guy may be so smart that he is dumb. Actually confessing and having that confession published could also be actionable [against the confessor]. But is the confession itself even real? The situation is not limited to ad-swaps. The plethora of UK addresses for Joe Simpson and his various pseudonyms in FOREX is yet another example. Amazing how response to one email elicits an army of additional FOREX emails, all from similar UK addresses all proposing conflicting products, and then each of the sellers then cross promoting each others products which decry their own products. Seems just another example of what we are seeing with the ad-swaps.

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• Futak said:
  

  Phew!

  Thanks for posting this Eric - with the traffic you get on your site, this should hopefully send big enough shock waves to force the so-called Any Tudor out of business. Presumably the head honchos at Warrior Forum are hot on the heels of investigating this?

  Dez.

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  • Mark Andrews IMCopywriting said:
    

    Codswallop and piffle! They don’t give a flying hoot about the scammers on their forum. It’s an absolute joke, an embarrassment to the rest of the honest IM community that particular forum.

    I’ve exposed scammers before on the WF and was told to either shut up or risk being banned myself. In the end holding to my principles… I was finally banned for good. Others have experienced the same treatment.

    So scammers can continue on that forum whilst good, honest business folks who hate scammers with a passion and expose them are the ones who get punished? It’s an utterly and absolutely ridiculous situation.

    Complain to the head honcho’s on the Warrior Forum? Aka Paul Myers & Co? Good luck with that course of action. They’re far more interested in the protection of scammers rights than they are in protecting the rights of hard working, honest individuals who are simply trying to do their best to earn an honest crust and put food on the table.

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• Kitty Jellinek said:
  

  Wow what a nerve! Andy has given some more miss-information here by insinuating that you can not do a charge back via PayPal for “virtual Goods”. Also as I see it his product is a service which was not delivered. My advice to Paul is to start a dispute via PayPal - the same goes for Socrates Socratous.
  By instigating a dispute via PayPal at least Andy will not be able to use his PayPal account to scam more people.
  I believe the following statement from Andy, to also be a lie:
  “they opened the disputes and soon after realized that I won them because it was a virtual good, I even explained this to them before but it’s their own fault for not listening on that.”
  He is writing this to try to stop Paul from lodging a dispute.
  Also If I was Paul, I would not like my name/product to be associated with any future solo mailings promised to be made by Andy to his future list!

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  • Chris said:
    

    Kitty,

    I wish you were right about Paypal but unfortunately the virtual goods is a loophole in their system that these scammers exploit.

    I had a run in with a scammer selling ad coupons and despite showing Paypal a mountain of evidence that the guy was outright stealing people’s money(he had scammed at least 6 others from the same forum)…I still lost the dispute and he kept my money.

    So beware buying any digital goods with Paypal as you are NOT protected as you may think.

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    • Kitty Jellinek said:
      

      Hi Chris,
      I can only speak from my own experience regarding PayPal disputes.
      Around 8 months ago I ordered an e-book via PayPal - it was advertised as a manual on a particular subject and cost $39.
      The book was delivered immediately and consisted of one page full of links to further sales pitches - there was no content in reference to the topic the e-book was advertised to cover.
      I tried to contact the vendor and after 6 unsuccessful attempts I attempted to lodge a dispute via my PayPal account. I got an automated message to the affect that they don’t engage in disputes over digital delivered products.
      I live in Australia so I phoned the Australian office and explained the situation. My money was refunded within 24 hours. I was also informed that this scam artist had his account closed by PayPal as they had already received a lot of complaints over the same product.
      I know that any payment processor that is seen to be aiding and abetting criminal activities is liable to be legally penalized themselves.
      Therefore if you know that you have been fraudulently dealt with don’t be afraid to ask for your money back.
      No matter what PayPal may say about their refund policy - they are not the law - and they have to play to the same rules as everyone else. This is the reason you can do charge backs with your credit cards after all.

      Cheers,
      Kitty.

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    • Rob Toth said:
      

      Sure but with replies like the above from “Andy” … that’s evidence of this having been a fraudulent sale. It’s admittance to a scam. It should certainly be enough for PP to close that users account and hold his funds.

      PayPal is often eager to suspend valid accounts due to red flags. Well a confession of guilt is about as red of a flag as they come.

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  • Eric said:
    

    As Chris said, it is a loophole. BUT I will add to that… the loophole does not cover scamming. PayPal DOES keep track of disputes, and if you have too many, it will raise red flags with them. If those disputes are escalated to PayPal staff, it will happen all the sooner. PayPal would much rather shut down someone’s account than risk doing business with a scammer, so Kitty is right– victims SHOULD still open PayPal disputes.

    (On a side note: If you’re doing business with a reputable party, like me, please do not use PayPal disputes for refund requests. I have a helpdesk and a customer service email address to handle refund requests. If you’re doing business with someone and their normal customer service channels are not helping you, that would be a time to file a dispute.)

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    • Mark said:
      

      THX Eric,
      here’s an incredibly serious problem. Just damage, that nobody dare to share openly about…YOU are almost first!
      Nice, you all might know already that during about last 15 month “famous cinnamon guys” use ALL possible Names even of most respectable marketers to resending genuine scam! Here am a bit perplex, because when i asked ‘em about, silence totale! Are you all participante? - noooo, sorry, can’t believe, why you would like to risk so big+your reputation included?????
      Well, unfortunately because they are australian, here’s a little problem to calm down ‘em…Any unsubscribtion are absolutely impossible since “you” are somehow falling in that mlm-trap.PHEW.

      AND I don’t know if I may dare to put the name of one other “famous scam-artist”, who is at last time a bit cached…hopefully because some of irs/fbi guys shows some “interest” to…

      Now, cause PPal - here’s too some hot problem, because these scammers use there simply the real names of real “clueless” people - i know because we were three from my own family inculped because of that & we were almost arrested because of “fraud”… Well, today we can smile a bit, simply because one of family members is well-known international lawyer, but how many other clueless people risk their reputation?

      greets from france,
      have a great W-E
      Mark

      PS:
      BTW, this “Andy Tudor” seems is that from Romania, Europe, one, uh-oh then…

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  • Larry said:
    

    I was also scammed by Andy Tudor last week and filed a dispute with PayPal which Andy escalated to a claim advising them of their policy on viral products and Paypal promptly closed my dispute. I am very unhappy with paypal. A couple other things I noticed which may tip you off is the payment link which I copy here- payments@gpredatorsystem.com I say that when making my payment and thought that was weird but I’m new to IM-actually this was my first solo attempt. When I saw my statemnt from paypal it says the recipient was as follows
    Name: Nancy Cole (The recipient of this payment is Non-U.S. - Verified)
    Email: payments@gpredatorsystem.com
    So can this be trusted that the recipient is outside the US? Who knows. I’m still trying to get my $197 back.

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• Caesar said:
  

  I usually stay away from warrior forum

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  • maswid said:
    

    Hi Caesar,

    Any personal past experience which lead you to this decision?

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• Chris said:
  

  Thanks for the heads up Eric.

  I think what “SEO Company” said above about the victims emailing their lists and telling them to unsubscribe is a great idea. It’s a shame that Paypal’s system has this virtual goods loophole. I’ve been had by that one but thankfully only for a small amount.

  On another note, I think a good alias for a scammer would be “Ben Laden”…that way if people complain about being scammed, the scammer can rationalize by saying “hey, my name was Ben Laden..they should have known I was plotting something terrible”

  So everyone beware of Ben Laden. He’s a bad dude!

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• Sue McDonald said:
  

  Yes they are out there. I have had similar experiences. One guy claimed he had a list of 5.5K never got one click. Then another solo ad guy claimed he had 11K - never got one click. When I complained to both of them they said they had definitely sent but their list did not like my offer. I had been taken for a ride so I am glad that you are exposing this because it is happening more frequently.
  Thanks
  Sue

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• CCHOMENETWORK said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  I like the way you are commenting on that. A lot of scammers are using the peoples trust and getting away with it. That is a pitty in my eyes but I would not just give away an emaillist for money. So what are the difficulties to get such scamming AR*EHOLES out of business?
  Nobody (mostly) takes the time to check things out, before dealing with people like this! Sometimes are lots of information on blogs or in a forum and the dealing person could have found it quickly - if one only would have searched for infos on that. I do always check things out if I can or if it is nessesary.
  I hope many webusers can read your information here.

  Thank you Eric

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• Franklin said:
  

  I knew they were out there, just look at all the junk launches that go on every week… it is not that hard to just go get a job and start over. People have to go so low, is it greed.. plus this guy is breaking the law and should be charged - find him!!!!

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• Brad Wilson said:
  

  Thanks for posting this scam. I’m actually not surprised by this at all. That’s because I’ve seen various versions of this over the years.

  It’s truly sad because it makes it that much harder to build trust for those who are actually offering great products and services.

  The answer for me is to join groups of like minded people like a mastermind club and over time we all earn the respect and trust of everyone.

  Another point is that this info is very timely for me because I’m actually thinking of building a swap system and I was looking for the pros and cons.

  Please keep us posted as you find out more, and thanks again.

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• coty said:
  

  Hello Eric,
  As a writer I have done business with both you and Paul and I know you both to be trustworthy. The scammer quite frankly would be hard to catch as suggested because IP addresses can be hidden and rotated. Paying money up front for a swap made no sense. Moneys can be placed into an escrow account until the project has been completed and then paid. As far as swaps, most of the time I simply will unsubscribe from any marketer I know has swapped my email because I gave the permission to the marketer I wanted to work with, I did not give the swapper any right to email me even if I do not opt-in to his page, this is still spamming in my book. My email box is full all day long with emails many from swaps, and I hate it I do not have time to listen to some of their bull shit offers, (and I do apologize) but it wastes my energy and time.
  I was in the financial markets for many years, and my clients were precious to me, I would never disclose anything about them nor give even their names to anyone. They trusted me!
  So in conclusion I would recommend to any one choose who you want to deal with and choose carefully, in many cases offers will come from the people you trust, don’t just take any and all free reports you may be getting emails 4 and 5 times per day, and that my friends is ridiculous.
  Thankx for listening speak soon
  coty

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• Michael said:
  

  That’s a crime and a crying shame, and the bigger crime is he believes himself untouchable and unstoppable…

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• Shane Gorry said:
  

  Some people can not be like this. Others can’t seem to run an honest business if they tried.

  I’ll make no excuses for scammers, as we can see from this example here they can do that for themselves.

  However these people are what they are and they will always be there like an environment there are always predators.

  The best we can do is be aware of the possibilities and educate others as you are doing here Eric.

  Another point people need to be aware of is that Andy is right about Paypal. They will not protect you. Same with the warrior forum. And I wouldn’t hold my breathe for the FTC to or any other “authority” to be of to much assistance either.

  We can waste hours, days or even month getting all emotional about how these things are “allowed” to happen. Or we could spend our time and energy in other things more productive.

  Again be aware of your environment. DON’T send large amounts of money to strangers. Especially if your don’t have the kind of capital that people like Socrates have.
  Their are many other ways to build relationships then by meeting strangers in “wild west bar” style internet forums.
  Remember most scams target those looking for fast result. So does most sales copy for that matter.

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• Mike Filsaime said:
  

  Eric. Get me this guys paypal email and I will call my tier 1 rep at paypal and have him shut down for life same day. Tell Socrates to email me. H has my email. This is just sad.

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  • Eric said:
    

    Sure I can do that. What’s with your gravatar, LOL?

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    • Mike FIlsaime said:
      

      LOL - I need to change that Gravitar LOL. Andy I sent the information over to the people I know well at PayPal. I also sent them info that Socrates posted and they are on it. I will update you guys soon

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      • Eric said:
        

        That’s great, thanks Mike!

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        • Mike FIlsaime said:
          

          Hey Eric…

          This is what paypal said to me today
          (so they are on it)
          =====
          ”
          Hi Mike,

          I wanted to let you know that both of these accounts are being taken care by our Risk Department… That IS really disturbing…

          Let me know if you find any more…

          Thanks,
          PayPal rep name removed”

          =====

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          • Eric said:
            

            Excellent, thanks for following up Mike! I’ll add this to the post.
          • Rob Toth said:
            

            Guys… cheers to you for getting PP to handle this.

            But I do hope PP also contacts the banks and credit cards that this user linked to those accounts and provides evidence (or at least a link to this blog post) of fradualent activity.

            His PP, his hosting, his aweber, his bank account, his credit card should all be frozen and this is a crime so he should be found and prosecuted.
          • Mark said:
            

            Mike, btw, i have send to you warning perhaps a month ago about these 3 “cinnamon” guys. Has you contacted ‘em or they are, too, one whom you admire & wrote about in you “viral”-cyclopedies? I ask, because your name seems disappear for now. The Jeff Johnson’s, too.
            But many other they still are there & seems very popular - finally, why not to use, that assure that any email will be open!!!!, just the links are not about propoting any of your products/services…
            Am sorry for my ton, but frankly i just try to figure out who is who in your “game”.
            cheers!
• Stephanie - Home with the Kids said:
  

  Aww, poor “Andy,” life’s been hard so he’s willing to make things a little more miserable for others. I really hate it when people justify themselves like that. If things are that bad in your own life or business, you need to find honest ways to make it better. It’ll be much harder for him to find people willing to do business with him later with this squandering of his reputation now, assuming someone figures out who he really is.

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• Malka Maxwell said:
  

  I am saddened to hear about the scam that your friend and others encountered.

  There was someone who exposed a few years ago (perhaps) that screen shots in a lot of the sales messages are probably faked. I do not do paid ad swaps, and never have. I believed (and still do) that what appears to be too good in terms of a deal usually is. There is always a risk involved, and that some serious “cause and effect” thinking needs to be done.

  I actually am empathetic to the “I have fallen on hard times” mentality however, I cannot be empathetic to someone who steals. I figure that this behavior was there all along and that a ‘ bad economy’ is a sorry excuse for showing a negative trait of this magnitude.

  Someone mentioned (in an earlier post) to email the lists and make the customers aware of the scamer….I believe that is a good idea.

  Internet Marketers and Internet Marketing has a murky reputation probably due to this guy’s belief system and practices and all of the others who do the same thing. They may not have been exposed as of yet, but they are out there. I like the fact that you remind the readers that everyone is not bad. I think that little spark of positive thinking will go a long way. I would like to remind people that the belief that there are good people in the world should not blind them from using common sense in their business dealings.

  The more people who speak out if they can pin point the root of these people will make it easier for everyone. I appreciate the fact that you made it public, I know it can be a challenge for marketers and their families sometimes to publicize these things.

  All the best!

  Malka Maxwell

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• Karen Marrow said:
  

  Eric,

  Great post! Thanks for the information. Too bad everyone out there doesn’t subscribe to integrity above all.

  Karen

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• maswid said:
  

  Thanks Eric! Maybe a Warrior Forum or any Internet Marketer forum should have an outstanding BLACKLIST segment, where this low life criminals and all of his aliases maybe put in a constant spotlight!

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• Audley Barnes said:
  

  Hi Eric:

  Thanke for the information regarding scammers. Last night, for the first time, i signed up with a company to do online business, I’m hoping it was not with one of those scammers. I’ll just have wait and see what happens

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• bruce said:
  

  Hello Eric,

  What most people should realize is that a felony crime has been committed here by “Andy.”

  This is one of the exact situations that the Feds want to thwart through “good marketing practices” law.

  The guy broke the law, especially when it comes to interstate commerce. So, I certainly hope that justice will prevail on this matter.

  What is really insulting is that he openly confesses that he has no intention on making the victums “whole” by returning each and everyone he scammed, their money. So that perpetuates the crime he committed.

  It’s sad, but we have to take this as a lesson learned and be so very cautious with overzealous “sales pitches” online, whether it is from the Warrior Forum or anywhere else online for that matter.

  Thank you so much for bringing this up. I am a member of the Warrior Forum and will keep my “BS” antennae up from now on!

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  • Rob Toth said:
    

    Bruce… seriously this was the first reason you’ve come across to keep your BS antennae up on WF? I’m glad to hear it but I’m also very surprised.

    WF is littered with nonsense. It’s the nature of the beast though. It’s a large, matured community so the amount of BS on there is very evident.

    On another note, I completely agree… this is a crime WITH admission of the crime. So it’s merely a game of cat and mouse to find the offender and arrest him.

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• Anonymous said:
  

  I find this information very valuable, and I am sure many will benefit.
  Its buyers beware .
  Thanks!
  Bob

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• Gary said:
  

  Hi Eric;
  Thanks for the post! I’m a long way from considering list swaps since loading an opt-in is the next thing I will be doing to build out my new site. Thus I have nothing to swap and am hoping to build my list from “native” traffic and quality content.

  But who knows? At some point in time that might be a viable option for me and you’ve given a new tool to use to do it safely.

  And as far as screen shots go, I don’t believe them. About a year ago I watched a video where a guy took a Google adsense report and used a tool to magically change all the numbers. It was tedious but it worked and the results were convincing.

  And about this guy andy (caps purposely omitted) - do funeral homes provide asbestos suits? He’s going to need one where he’s likely to end up.

  Thanks again for the post Eric.

  Gary.

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• Wayne Douglas said:
  

  Scammer? You can’t call this guy a scammer. You should call it like it is. He is a CRIMINAL. He is committing fraud and the authorities should be notified. He has skills in IM and chooses to use them in this manner rather than work legitimately. I say do everything you can to track him down and prosecute to the fullest extent of the law!
  You have his own written confession as evidence.

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  • Rob Toth said:
    

    Exactly. And then once found, go through his computers, his address book, his most frequently emailed to contacts, most frequent contacts on Skype and look at the activities of some of his closest associates.

    This guy sounds like too much of an amateur dummy to have figured out scams on his own. I’m very sure he has “friends” and he hangs out in “blackhat” communities where many other such criminals can be found.

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• Matthew Roberts said:
  

  I’ve been scammed out of money from a scammer similar to this. PayPal will not do anything as it is digital goods. I’ve lost out on over $500 because of that scammer, but really I think the biggest person or in this case company to blame is PayPal. PayPal constantly allows people like this to get away with it.

  Something should be done against PayPal as they only care about one thing and one thing only “MAKING MONEY” if they cared at all about the customers they wouldn’t let scammers constantly get away with this.

  In my opinion PayPal should be forced to pay back all the people that have been scammed. AS soon as they know it is digital good they close the case in the sellers favor. Some buyer protection they have or claim to have.

  Anyways this whole thing doesn’t surprise me at all as I’ve had it happen to me, but it still makes me feel sick that this is still happening as my situation was over 3 years ago.

  Hope your post with the proof will help a lot of others online to be wiser and not make the same mistakes.

  Sincerely,

  Matthew Roberts

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• Yuan Chiou said:
  

  Great article. If Andrew spend some amount of time figure out how to scam people. He could use the time create a honest business.

  Andrew failure to realize that by scamming people only provide temporary solution to his problem.

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• Darlene Schirmer said:
  

  I am floored at the blatent, unabashed pride this con man exhibits. I really hope he will get caught and exposed for what he is…a low life jerk who takes advantage of people.
  It’s another example why honest people are skeptical about purchasing anything online.
  Thank you for sharing this eye-opening story with us, Eric.

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• Richard Flynn said:
  

  seems there are bad apples every where, sad that
  a few can take the pleasure out ot life.
  I have to remember it’s only a few among the
  many. So for the most part I’ll just keep a wary eye.
  thanks eric

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• Michaela said:
  

  Eric, it is a sad story, I am surprised by Andy’s arrogance, and I have zero trust about anything he says. So if I’ll be Paul I simply stop and “business” relation with this guy and I start to recuperate the money.
  Unfortunately there are a lot of scams, Dan T. shows other example with a lot of humor, and it is a lesson to learn from that one as well, please read until the end:
  http://www.elpassoblog.com/bye-bye-haley/

  So no wander that IM and/or AM has a bad name nowadays and makes harder for beginners to get in this market…
  Thanks for the post is eyes opening. Personally I hate very long sale-pages, with repetitions, mansions, Corvette or Lamborghini… I don’t need this type of info to buy a prod, and when I am bombarded with this them, I am suspicious and don’t buy… hoping that the marketers will understand that hype and fakes turn potential customers away and must stop.
  Regards
  Michaela

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  • melissa said:
    

    I don’t get this part: when you click on the image like he says it goes to the archived page, but if you go ahead and enter your email - i used a junk mailbox - it takes you to a live page with 2 videos - so, is this really off the Internet or is it just a new twist for yet another scam? I’m seriously confused about this one, but I can tell you that the *stripper* is still on the Internet, still selling, still operating; different name, different picture, but still there!

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    • Eric said:
      

      Melissa- that was a cached copy of the page, and the order button is not live. However, I removed the link from your post, because the exit splash page is still live, and we don’t need to be building those guys email list

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      • Fran Watson said:
        

        I have seen several ads like this one over the past month, promoting “1 click to prosperity”, but since I have been online for a few years, I know that it takes a whole lot more work than that to make even a little bit of money.

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  • Eric said:
    

    I’m glad that one got shut down. Although I was repulsed by the sales page, I did check it out from an investigative standpoint after seeing it promoted by some well-known marketers. It was obvious to me that “Haley’s” story was concocted by a copywriter (who also happens to be well known in the industry). I was also slightly surprised to see Oli Tee (a top ClickBank vendor/affiliate and broker behind many top CB launches) was the guy behind Stripped Down Profits. It actually caused me to nearly lose faith in ClickBank (of which I am a top-100 vendor), so I’m really glad they pulled it.

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    • maswid said:
      

      I thought that Clickbank had some sort of background check before allowing someone to launch a product. What would you say Eric? Will similar case reappearing in the future?

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      • Eric said:
        

        There’s no background check. Their security department reviews the product before approving a new vendor, but once you’re approved, it’s easy to launch new products without going through the approval process again.

        It’s a double edged sword. Part of what I love about Clickbank is how easy it is to launch a new product. But the downside of that attribute is a lot of junk ends up in their marketplace.

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• Bazpas said:
  

  G’ Day, I have been in business for over 50 years, I spent many years in the Swimming Pool industry which was full of scammers, in fact I made a lot of money repairing the damage left by the scumbags, I find that the IM is fast overtaking the Pool industry, not only by obvious and out-n-out scams like this, but with underhanded scams which appear innocurous until you investigate thoroughly.
  I just encountered a scam where you purchase a system and then informed you must use an in-house Payment Processor to have your money processed into PayPal. Of-course this processor costs a lot of money to maintain. When does the greed stop?
  I work hard to maintain a good reputation, I intend to keep it.
  Incidentally, I like the idea of taking that bloke into the woods.
  Bazpas.

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• Darryl H said:
  

  Eric it’s a sad day when these con-men start confessing to their crimes,and boasting how they can win with pay processor (Pay Pal) and walk away clean & free…. Sad indeed.

  Thank you Eric for sharing this article with us about these “con artist” what even sicker is he and his wife are rising a child to live this life style.

  And please forgive my tones, but I don’t give a DAM what he has to offer, because if he can do all of that with codes & understand IM then he should have built a list from the beginning.

  I’ve be scam before it’s makes me feel sick to my stomach when these guys walk away clean & free, I would like to share this URL with my list Eric if that ok with you please advise if this is possible before I sent a message to my list.
  Darryl H.

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• steve said:
  

  He needs Jesus

  He is our only Hope

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• Gary Simpson said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  This is my first time to your blog. A friend of mine Ken Harthun (posted above) gave me this link. (Hi to Kleinsy and Sue Mc above too.)

  Decent IM people need to squash turds like this guy. They are just stinking everything up for everybody. No wonder CTR’s are at an all time low, unsubs are through the roof and nobody believes anything any more.

  Yesterday I wrote a blog post entitled: “2010 - The Year of Internet Marketing Deception.” And it has been hammered with comments - all railing against the scammers and deceivers who have invaded IM en masse.

  Unfortunately, 2011 seems to be going the same way (re: the launch of woeful scammy, misleading and deceitful “products” like Stripped Down Profits) so, collectively, we all need to band together and FORCE these gutter rats back into their sewers - where they belong.

  I wish I’d seen this material before I wrote my PDF expose (How NOT to Be an Internet Marketing Vampire). In fact, I may have to go and add this galling information as an addendum (with attribution to you and your site here). Decent people need to be warned and remain on guard.

  This is a downright disgrace. It has to STOP!

  Thanks for posting this material Eric.

  Gary Simpson
  TEMPLE

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  • Nick said:
    

    Do I foresee a new novel? =)

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    • Gary Simpson said:
      

      You just might Nick - LOL.

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• Jos said:
  

  There’s many other types of scams running right now on the internet. I’ve just been scammed by a very well known hosting company and/or its developer. Probably the developer is not aware of it. But many marketers are aware of the situation because they promote products very cheap (some times the products are good as well as the developer). But the main purpose of the deal is to hook the buyer with a hosting company and there my friends they take good care of you or…should I say of your money and ideas?
  Any way, I’m not going to mention names here because this is not my blog. But I’m not afraid of those sh*ts, if I don’t disclose their names here is because of my respect of this space, which is not mine. All I can say to fellow Eric’s Tips followers is to be aware this scam is hot these days. So be aware if initials of this hosting co. is B.H. What is the scam? They force you to buy from them a domain name and a hosting package, paid upfront for at least 4 years. They build a very
  nice adsense site on your domain. All good, right? WRONG! They don’t deliver the site to you, the site is running with monetization that is not yours. If you ask for status or updates they ignore you. They don’t hand this site to you. I guess they’re waiting for you to start advertizing “your site”, which of course only the adsense code owner will benefit from (sorry, that’s not you). Nice, isn’t it?
  Now, you request cancel…they continue to ignore you.
  You persist on submitting tickets and…they ignore you. Finally when they feel like it, they answer saying “your cancellation has been accepted but you have to go to another page to submit your request again”. As you can see, what they are doing is dodging you so that their established 30-days refund policy expires. But…you persist, you want your site delivered or your money back. They realize you can claim your money via your Credit Card provider, so they go ahead and issue you refund partial refund of your purchase saying they’re keeping the remaining portion and the domain name because you have “insulted their staff”. Now be the judge, who is the one that has been insulted and injured? The one that has been robbed time and money? The one that has got his/her trust damaged?, The one who has been ignored to sickness? Ok, hope you find this information helpful and can use it to protect yourself. Peace.

  \

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  • melissa said:
    

    I was fortunate not to lose money on this one, but if you go to the host site separately, not through the promoted link, you will see that the host does not require 4 yrs paid in advance, and actually offers a month to month hosting plan and there is no setup fee.
    It’s my guess that it is the reseller who’s running the *scam*.

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• JOHN said:
  

  Hey got caught with a real scam in 2009 the website was called internetbillionairesystem and
  lost 500usd this guy had also given me a list of 40 million ,I never used it because I do not know if it would be spam,also I HAD HEARD AT RIPPOFF.COM others got hit to….

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• Bolaji said:
  

  Thanks for sharing this unbelievable cautionary tale, Eric.

  On a positive note, I found this post through alexa’s toolbar… it was marked as one of the hot pieces of content on the web today.

  I’m glad I found you - I read your story and testimony. It’s great to find other Christian Internet Marketers in the game.

  I’ll continue to follow and support.

  Bolaji.

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• earn money online said:
  

  for me very difficult to know whether this is a scam or not. Moreover, published in forums such as the famous warrior forum. We know it then. How do we know this would happen?

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• Peter Downs said:
  

  Extraordinary email. Never seen anything like it. The comments here sum up perfectly the integrity of this idiot. Last year I paid $995 for a years worth of Solo Ads - one per month from a certain KR. For the start I got a dribble of optins on pages that were converting at 60%. The promise was for 60,000 emails - I think it’s more like 6,000 tops! Now he is not replying to emails despite months left on the deal. It’s a constant battle to get in touch - took 6 weeks initially and only happened when I got in touch with his so-called ‘mates’.

  Lesson learnt. Regarding Adswaps - it seems inevitable that you get ripped off eventually - due diligence at building relationships first work OK. Now I have a list of around 12 marketers that I trust and occasionally do swaps with. Everything sweet.

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  • John said:
    

    Oh Dear. This is discouraging. The reference is to a last name the same as a certain gambling location near the west coast of USA? If so, I had a similar problem where there were promised monthly updates to a product. That never ever happened. Tried to ask for help. The “Help” address did not work [it was non-existent. It was subsequently ‘changed’, but still did not work]. The direct gmail address of KR went unanswered. Given the benefit of the doubt I tried to contact and this went on for perhaps 3 months. Finally went to PayPal disputes and detailed the problem. Requested refund for all monthly payments. Got an instant response from KR with a 1 month refund. Lesson learned. Funny, in the early days, if it is the same person, he was quite reliable.

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    • Baz said:
      

      Unfortunately I had a similar problem with KR. He collected his money and failed to live up to his promises, no refund, non existant helpdesk, no reply to emails. I heard on one of the forums last week that one of his victims had reported him to the FTC. Hopefully it won’t be long before they come knocking on his door.

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• Hannu said:
  

  Reading his confession to the end I got the feeling this guy is not mentally in balance anymore, or what do you think?

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  • melissa said:
    

    LMAO…He NEVER was mentally balanced was he?

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• Christopher said:
  

  Hey Eric,
  I’m with Steve as far as sowing and reaping goes and there will come a day it’ll vacuum to be in his shoes. He may get away cheating people for now but, his day is coming. And it won’t be pretty! Whether he believes it or not won’t change the outcome. Pity the fool!
  When you’ve been trying to learn this marketing business for awhile you’re bound to be scammed at least once. So, the bottom line is he is not worthless he’s just a good example of what not to be like. The money may be good but the price is way too high in the end for me.
  So, who’s really the sucker there?

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• Mike Rose said:
  

  Hey Guys, We certainly don`t need to start yet another Conspiracy Non-Theory debate here … but can we IM types not just disregard the relatively-harmless Andy`s in our always-friendly online IM activities.

  Let`s not forget that all around us the Rockefellers (NOT you Eric) and the Rothschilds (you KNOW who YOU are!) are not just scamming the rest of US, their Monsanto corporates and GoldSack banksters blatantly scam the entire world community (with occult backsters embedded in the UN that they themselves control?

  Paul`s positive marketing action neatly trumps Andy`s congenital myopia.

  So, Paul, here’s a guy from Downunder, wants to know more about your ebiz, dude

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• Terry Van Horn said:
  

  Hi Eric,
  In Plain English Andrew Tudor is a low life scumbag and pulling stunts like this will eventually catch up to him. B.T.W you can beat Andy at his own game, Just Dispute the charge as a scam and your Credit Card company will investigate. I have found American Express to be the best to stop scammers like Andrew Tudor.

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• David said:
  

  Fascinating post. I am sure Paul is aware of this, but conducting fraudulent business over state lines is a felony offense.
  Whatever state the “transaction” took place in, it would be prudent to contact the state attorney generals office and file a complaint. These day, almost every state has an office that deals with Internet crimes. I have recently filed a complaint with the Internet crime division in the State of IL against someone that stole over $400 from me.
  It would also be a good idea to file a complaint with the federal Dept. of Commerce.
  SOMEBODY who has conducted business with Andy knows at least one of his websites. After contacting the hosting service/ISP of his website and informing them that fraudulent and criminal activities are being perpetrated through their hosting service (which makes them partially liable for such crimes), I have little doubt that swift action would be taken.
  Wishing you the best in resolving this matter,
  David Thorn

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• Terry Van Horn said:
  

  In Plain English Andrew Tudor is a low life scumbag. I have had problems with Paypal in the past when people like Andrew Tudor do not honor their end of the bargain. When Paypal refuses to refund my money I contact American Express who have always honored any dispute I had. When doing business thru paypal I highly recommend using a credit card company that you have a good relationship with.

  Bloglistspot Admin

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• Ron said:
  

  What an ARROGANT SOB! Surely he can be tracked and TAKEN OUT!

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• Rick Butts said:
  

  I have never been ripped off in Internet Marketing.

  Not like this.

  My only observation is that this person must be terribly lonely - why else write these long crazy emails - baiting someone you’ve just baked?

  Unfortunately there are drug addicts and sometimes truly mentally ill folks with delusions of grandiosity with Internet access - I’m speechless.

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• Marc Horne said:
  

  disturbing info… unless he only works from public IP locations - there should be no trouble stopping “andy.”

  This also brings up the fact about doing your “due diligence.” Did Paul check out what he was promoting in the first place? when you do an ad swap do you just blindly promote things? maybe the whole concept of ad swaps has some major flaws. is there sustainability?

  Although I realize anyone can get scammed - I also believe due diligence can be done to limit the possibility.

  good post Eric.

  cheers,
  marc

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• Cindy said:
  

  Wow,I agree with MM; this guy is a sociopath (and a criminal). He gets off on explaining his scam techniques and there’s no emotion or weight behind his apologies. I hope he will be caught soon and we can find out his identity. Thank you for sharing this with your readers.

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• Alla said:
  

  Imagine that, Eric, I actually scold myself for not hanging out enough on Warrior forum. I guess, it’s not that bad after all, taking into consideration that I, probably, avoided some problems. It’s very, very sad that people behave that way. These people, like Andy, give all of us, IM people, very bad image. I wish, I could do something. I sincerely hope, that this guy stops what he is doing. The guts this miserable person has! Unbelievable!!!

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• Andrew Williams said:
  

  Thanks For The Warning!

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• Brian said:
  

  ok everyone, what is the best way to fix this?
  Does paul send a mass email to his list warning of this thief, and tells them if they get any emails from anyone else that they do not know, to unsubscribe right away? Or is there a better way?

  Any Ideas?

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• John Flynn said:
  

  What a low-life scumbag! He’s just right out there with it, too. Really a shame that this is happening to good people. I have enjoyed Paul’s products and also sold him one of my domains — super nice guy, he really doesn’t deserve this. No one does.

  The Warrior Forum probably has server logs of IP addresses, at least of usernames. This is at least a federal crime since it crosses state lines; just by the way the internet works with server relays, the guy could live next door to his victims and it would still be federal statute. I suggest calling the FBI and prosecute this before he defrauds even more people.

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• Zack Lim said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  Thank you for sharing this post. It is really disgusting to see all these scammers cheating other people’s money and waste other people’s precious time.

  I would think it is better to constantly educate ourselves of the different scams online so that we can prevent the same thing from happening to us.

  Having a hard financial time does not give anyone the rights and excuses to con other people’s money.

  Zack

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• Linda Carruth said:
  

  David speaks the truth. What this “Andy” did/is doing is a CRIME. He CAN be tracked down and prosecuted. I believe the if transaction is over a certain amount, even if not over state lines, it is a felony.

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• Joyce Cook said:
  

  Thanks Eric,

  Quite an eye opener. What nerve! Are you sure this is not Bernie Madoff.

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• Jim said:
  

  How about some quick viral action here…everyone who posted here or has read Erics’ post can now copy and past his post and the email to their blog and email list or send people to this link…Facebook, Twitter, Myspace…ect.

  Whenever I see something I want to get involved with but don’t know about, I google it and see what comes up. When it comes to being scammed, people talk and it’s spreads like wild fire. That is your best defense against scammers. Just like Eric has done. Now thousands are informed and will spread that to thousands more and on and on.

  I’d also like to say that in these times the word ‘Integrity’ is relative. It all depends on ones moral character. I know several marketing guru’s who are millionaires who became millionaires OFF of people not WITH them.
  Marketing is about what I call Subliminal Persuasion. How to con the other guy into buying something without making him think you have. How’s that for Integrity? SO many people are doing it and are still regarded as reputable marketers.
  I’ve been on a list of a well know Marketer for some time and she sent me a high recommendation to another known marketer who I wasn’t paying attention to but decided to google this guy. Turns out he has a very impressive site that’s so convincing but there are lots of complaints that he is a big scam artist. So much for the recommendation, right? What does that say for her?
  So what is YOUR level of integrity?
  Do you think the end justifies the means?
  or Do you believe in absolute truth?
  What is wrong is always wrong, in every circumstance for all time, for everyone?

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• Marilyn Martin said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  Thanks so much for sharing this with all of us and letting us know about this scum of the Earth. I am a professional or else I would have called this person what they really are! I can not believe this person that the gall to try and make excuses for what he is doing, and to act like he feels bad on top of that is disgusting!

  This guy wouldn’t know how to feel bad about anything if his life depended on it. It is a shame there are people like this around because it makes others mistrust the good people. It is hard enough online to get people to trust you without someone like him coming along to cause people to doubt every new offer they are presented with.

  I would feel sorry for this person if they didn’t write everything he did in his email. He clearly shows he doesn’t care about anything or anyone, and laughs because he knows he can get away with what he is doing. How can anyone brag and be proud that he has another 50+ people lined up to scam?

  I hope the jerk gets caught and gets what he has coming to him! I won’t say what I think he should get as a punishment because that would be unlady like. Just use your imagination! LOL

  Thanks again for sharing,

  Marilyn

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• Aaron Leighton said:
  

  Hey Eric

  Thanks for the heads up. You’re right about Paul - he’s one of the guys who really over-delivers and I’ve bought nearly every one of his products as a result. I’m sorry to hear that this happened to such a nice guy and I am sure there are many others who are good guys and gals too.

  It’s starting to dredge up awful memories for me about a certain guy called PHP Andy that ripped off a LOT of people (including myself to the tune of nearly $1500) on the Warrior Forum when he offered custom programming and then did a runner… if anyone ever finds him back online, let me know cos I am still fuming about that!

  Thanks for the heads up on this guy. Just shows, you can never be too careful when dealing with people online. Check out their reputation first, as well as how long they’ve been in business. It’s at least a “good guide” as to eliminate some of the risk.

  Aaron

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  • Richard Mortimer said:
    

    Hey Aaron,

    You got here before me…! But, you’ll find I’ve mentioned you in my comment below!

    Do you think this could be Andy? (Anderson Smith as he said to me). There is a ring of familiarity about it. “Hard up. Young family.” etc!

    Anyway, good on Eric for the expose. Sad to hear Paul’s been taken. Us ‘Nice Guys’ are wide open, aren’t we?

    Thanks,

    Richard

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• Syma said:
  

  Hi Eric
  I have been scammed too before. But never got any replies back. This was on Flippa. So I ask all friends to be extremely careful and check the seller out. Cheers.

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• John said:
  

  Some fascinating insights here but only one person hit on an underpinning problem with this whole thing…why was Paul “swapping” (read, giving out) my email address without my permission.

  I’m NOT saying that Andy has NO RESPONSIBILITY here at all.It’s not even that Paul was giving out our email addresses to a total stranger BUT that he was giving our email addresses out at all, going against his own Privacy Policy.

  How many of us get spammed by Guru’s after Guru’s obviously “swapping” our email addresses with each other and then our In Boxes become stuffed with so many offers. Then the “Andy’s” of the world get their BOGUS and/or FELONIOUS offers snuck inside, too.

  Paul has been in the business for sometime and unfortunately let his guard down. I imagine he will be a little more attentive next time as we all are now with this story. Thank you Eric, for bringing it to our attention.

  My last comment is that I think “Andy’s confession” is also BOGUS as it is probably part of his scam in “threatening” his victims by supposedly “apologizing” then giving a “sob story” of his life and then letting the victim know that there is nothing he can do about the situation. This would seem to play on several levels of emotions here. Of course we are looking at it differently then what Paul experienced. We are angered, dismayed, fearful.

  I, too, have been scammed but I am now finally getting the “Big Picture” with all these “offers” bombarding my Inbox. They are all coming from BIG as well as SMALL Guru’s who supposedly keep my email address “PRIVATE” and yet I get more and more emails from people I have never heard from.

  THAT is the big travesty in all this, SCAMMERS, THIEVES, CON MEN are all part of the business (unfortunately) but what about the “honest” people that tell you that they will keep your “secrets” a secret?

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• Eric Hendrix said:
  

  It is very unfortunate even in a reputable site like the warrior Forum these tactics exist.
  I believe that what goes around comes around in due time. This Andy fellow will get what’s coming to him.

  Hey, thank you for posting this type of public notice. You have always come through with great information. Keep it up!
  Eric

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• Johan said:
  

  Wow, I cant believe it. Thanks Eric for pointing this out. These are truly the ones that give the internet marketing community a bad name. I hope everyone is encourages to do good in this life. Remember what goes around comes around so in the end I believe Andy would have to pay one way or another. I have been scammed myself and actually in one case this scammer defrauded so many ppl that he actually went to jail. Then he had to pay monthly to everyone he scammed. Whatever it is, the scammer fools himself in the end but the true ppl stay successful in the long term and in the end…

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• Buzz Hill said:
  

  If you look at his English, I would bet he is not in the US and therefore not subject to US laws. Most likely the reason why he is not worried about the confession.

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• David "ECS Dave" Hipp said:
  

  To quote rossgoldberg and his comment that brought me here:

  " This kind of crap makes me sick - http://ow.ly/4gUUN "…

  Well said Ross.

  Yes, it makes me sick too…

  Be Well!
  ECS Dave

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• Susan said:
  

  Thank you very much for letting everyone know about this! Just the other day I got an email from a marketer who had a good way to make quick affilate income through using ad swaps. I was working on setting the system up today as a matter of fact. Now that I’ve heard about this guy there’s NO WAY I’m going to approach anyone about ad swaps!
  It really sickens and saddens me to hear about this sort of thing. Although I don’t live in “La-La” land I am still a very trusting person and reading about these sort of scams makes me very nervous about doing business online.
  Take care Eric.

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• Troy said:
  

  At the risk of sounding foolish here, has anyone considered that Andy might very well be a female and not a male?

  In the message to Paul, Andy mentioned a daughter named Jasmine and a partner named Annie.

  For me, that immediately opened up the possibility that this scoundrel Andy might not be a man and could possibly, in fact, be a woman, which could be very important to know for obvious reasons.

  Just an observation.

  Thanks, once again, for excellent info Eric.

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• Jason Dinner said:
  

  Eric,

  Nice job outing this d-bag. What is wrong with some people in our niche these days?

  Habitual Line Steppers is what they are. (Can you guess what show is the phrase “Habitual Line Steppers” is from? lol)

  Anyway dude, where’s your facebook like and retweet buttons?

  This needs to get spread out as far as possible lol.

  All The Best,

  Jason Dinner

  P.S. You have a beautiful family. I love that everyone has super blond hair! We’re expecting our 4th in less than 5 years this June so I’ll right there along side you with 2 boys and 2 girls

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  • Eric said:
    

    Thanks Jason. Congrats! That’s awesome. We’re expecting our 5th this summer, so you’ll have to play catch up once again

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    • Jason Dinner said:
      

      Wow man!! You guys will have a basketball team now hahaha. We both need to get another hobby that keeps us away from our ladies
      I’m done for sure this time around. We’ll have to kick each other in the mid section area real hard next time we meet up. hahaha

      Congrats to you guys as well

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• anxietycurepaniccure said:
  

  Some scams are blatant - like this one. Others are subtle, and people don’t even realize they are throwing away their money. There are so many TRICKS. eg Take the 30 day guarentee: you buy something, you get overloaded with work, before you realise it the 30 days is up and the thing does not work. I got a product through you, from a “respectful” IM, put in 7 months effort(anything from 3 to 12 hours per day, 6-7 days p.w.) and in the end it did not work. my loss was not the +- $ 400 dollars I paid, it was the hundreds of hours I put in. These scams are more dangerous/harmful than the blatant ones.

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• Tom said:
  

  With internet, it is easy to do business worldwide but at the same time it is very much easy for scammers to do ply their monkey business victimizing people…we have to be careful because there is no regulating body overlooking the internet.

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• melissa said:
  

  Within the last month I have been presented with an opportunity that specifically makes this claim *that PayPal disputes would not work and that they could open them and…I would just win and walk away.* It is now on an external drive with some other offers I considered to be scams, but save as reminders; there was also a pic of *jasmine* and *annie* (I believe it could be this same person’s work) on another sales letter.
  That being said, and my being an incredibly suspicious person at this point, having been ripped off too many times, I must say that the *confession* is very reminiscent of a very very old *confession* sales pitch from the 1940’s and could be just another ploy by the alledged scammer to get more press, more searches, more *victims*, more notoriety and more MONEY. Judging by the comments, most of that’s been accomplished.
  FYI, top level us gov agencies are who to file complaints with.
  I’m just saying…
  Many thanks to paul and eric for a great job reporting this.
  PS: I do not know what’s adding the slash - I don’t known html, css, etc.,

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• David said:
  

  There is no surprise here. Almost every single WSO order I made turned out to be a scam. There are many desperate people out there.

  There is very little honor or integrity amongst the majority of Internet Marketers I have encountered.

  This guy says he has extensive knowledge of Internet market and yet he is struggling. That should tell us all something!

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  • Richard Mortimer said:
    

    Yeah, take your point David. But, then look at someone like Sean Mize (top author on EZA). He’s ethical. Really wants to help his subscribers, and is making a fortune!

    I think in this game, “the good guys win!” It just takes more time to do it “RIGHT” and some people find it far too tempting to rip people off. But, in the end, they are the losers.

    We all have a conscience..! Steam-roller it as many times as you like, it always revives!

    Thanks,

    Richard

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• melissa said:
  

  Hmmm…the slash only showed in the preview. Also, this guy does not appear to be in US - which is why the gov is necessary.

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  • charles said:
    

    What’s in a name but figure [TUDOR] as english as they come.

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• PT said:
  

  This guy is real piece of work. Your run of the mill dirt bag. Lots of thinking errors. He rips people off because his needs are more important than anyone else. Then he warns the victims not to turn him in. When they do, he now has the “right” to feel okay about burning them since they tried to burn him “first” by getting their money back.
  In Paul’s case he has the dilemma that Paul did not try to legally stop the guy, but instead treated him with reason and kindness. This has Andy a little perplexed since it is much easier to put the screws to someone when they have come across in an unkind or mean way. That way the perpetrator can justify his guilt in that they (the victims) really deserved what I did to them because they are bungholes anyway.
  Instead, Andy will have to make it okay at some future date when it good for him, so he can assuage his guilty conscience, (which will probably be never, but hey! it’s the thought that counts).
  That is why Jesus said turn the other cheek, don’t be ignorant, but pray for your enemies, in doing so you will heap coals upon their heads. I agree with Steve. This guy needs Jesus. Paul’s kind letter has the guy already uncomfortable that is why he has written back twice.
  Thanks for the heads up Eric. We can always depend on you to take controversial and touchy subjects head on. I agree with the others here, you are one of the good guys and so is Paul Counts. I hold you both in high esteem.

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• Kathleen said:
  

  Hi all,

  just want to say that you are talking about this guy as if he is the only one scamming but, lets not forget about about all those scammers they sell you all those useless programs that will make you rich in blah, blah days, so they tell you- just pay me $37,$39, or even $47, $49 within 7 clicks of your mouse and you don’t even have to have techie knowledge etc; Also they give you a 60 days trial or your money back -that you never get even though you have requested it.
  One particular guy ( i won’t say his name here) is ripping people off left right and center and does not even have the decency to reply you when you write to him- i even have written to him and told him straight that he is a scammer and the end result of this is he now has the cheek to send me e-mails because he has added me to his other subscriber list and even though i wrote to the payment system he uses and eventually got my money back- they still help him steal hard earned peoples money by keeping him in the system and also admitted to me in a round-a-bout way that they had a lot of complaints about him, and i know of only a handful of only true good and honest guys on IM (you including Eric in this )and i can only count these guys on my one hand!
  So, forgive me but i get angry everyday that there are a lot of scammers out there who get away with their stealing from innocent, honest people who are trying to survive in this industry everyday, so what about them too- lets not forget them with Mr Andy whatever name he uses being one of them!
  so, if any of you bad guys out that are reading this, i will only say this - KARMA - WHAT YOU SOW, YOU SHALL REAP- BECAUSE YOUR TIME IS COMING!!

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  • peter said:
    

    Kathleen.
    I just want to say that I totally agree with you.
    I also have one GUY? ripping people off.
    As I have an international business serving the
    UK, Europe, USA and Asia, I am sending the file
    (over 50 pages of emails and “canned” replies”
    to all my associates, to warn them of this
    man/woman.
    LOOK OUT “CHRIS A” we are after you.
    Thank you Eric for bringing this in the open,
    and allowing us to use your blog for interaction.
    All the best,
    Peter.

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• sue said:
  

  WOW!!!!!!!!!!
  I am gob smacked Eric!
  I have taught my children to treat others the way you want to be treated and I carry this through my business never in my wildest dreams would I ever think anyone could do this!
  Paul please dont take this please fight back you deserve to be treated better! You have the proof his confession you will win we will all back you Paul!

  why hasnt wso closed his account? they should and I am sure there are ways of aliases to be desicovered - how many paypal accounts can you have lol

  I will have to make sure I really look at any wso offers from now on (go with those I trust) and really look at any IM offers too - it takes just one bad apple doesnt it!

  Eric thank you so much for telling us about this I know it wasnt to create some sort of hate march vendeta type of thing that it was a for warned is a for armed.

  Paul I wish you the best to take action and report him I wish you hadn’t been scammed and I thank you for giving permission to reprint the emails to warn us all.

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• Andy said:
  

  Thanks for sharing this. That man is scum, a con man and a thief. I’m lost for words at his sheer arrogance..
  As a matter of principle, before buying online I try to do some research, it’s not foolproof but a quick Google search can reveal a lot about any given product or person. Even with you Eric! lol but don’t worry I’ve bought from you twice and always top quality.
  Andy

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• The "Make Money Online For Newbies" Guy said:
  

  Eric,

  Thanks for this warning. And yes, I have been scammed as well - but not by Andy. Sometimes these guys lure you in with a small deal and then have you later when bigger money comes into play. This is the experience with S6 Solutions in Canada who takes in outsourcing work. - The guy is know as Pej.

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• TrafficNymphomaniac said:
  

  Remedies for this rip-off:

  (1)Join his list from throwaway email address

  (2)Over a month or so make a list of all his affiliate offers

  (3)Record his IP address

  (4)Record all autoresponder addresses

  (5)Keep copies of all correspondence

  (6)Note any Web sites promoted and record Web site host

  (7)GET YOUR LAWYER to send a letter to Paypal (or Clickbank or whoever the payment agent is) with details of the abuses. Same procedure for autoresponder service and Web site hosts.

  ********

  Aweber or Payapl or Web hosting service definitely have the resources to learn the scam artist’s actual identity. Such corporations will shut this guy down in a heartbeat, because the last thing they want is legal action perhaps spanning three or more countries. Or class action lawsuits for that matter.

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• Bobby Mac said:
  

  I’d say I’m surprised but I’m not in the least bit. What does surprise me though is that someone with the skill to track another person down hasn’t done that by now and either beaten the ever loving chit our of this person or had them put behind bars, where they belong with other thieves.
  Bobby

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• bryan said:
  

  i ama new comer to the net ,had a feeling about the net crooks and it has proven to be right will stay off line for a time and see what happens with sleeze bag hope you can get a goode result bryan western australia

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• Pete said:
  

  Hi Eric, while I’m glad I haven’t personally fallen for the scam, I think the chap has done internet marketers a favour here by exposing ‘exactly’ how many of the so-called honest Guru’s behave - Re Photo-shopping video slides etc.

  It’s a modification on the oldest scam in the book - find something a lot of people need and offer a solution, whether you actually have the solution or not is irrelevant, you are merely sucking money from peoples greed.

  “Buyer Beware” should be the mantra we all chant with every offer on the internet. I’ve been stuffed by supposedly honest marketers in the past and I expect I will again in the future - that’s life, mark it up as experience.

  Too much emphasis is put on ‘Automation’ these days and so the human touch which often reveals Dodgy-Dealings is lost. Yes it does speed things up, but it also lays us all bare to any scam flying around in the ether.

  The chap sounded basically honest and if I’d paid him money and received an E-mail saying that he ‘would’ honour his agreement in the future I would have regarded it as ‘Money in the Bank’.

  We’ve all been in that dark place where we don’t know which way to turn. I’m glad I’ve not yet arrived in the place our so-called scammer has found himself in and I think rather than condem him those who ‘can’ help ’should’ and that might offer some kind of Karma to protect them from reaching those depths in the future.

  The Good Samaritan comes to mind here.

  That’s my two-penneth Eric for what it’s worth.

  Have a great day Y’all

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• jaco said:
  

  hey eric. Its very bad about all the scams on the net, but i want to ask you if you know about sites where you can buy targeted traffic? Do they actualy exist, and is it a good option to drive traffic to your site if you dont have the time to do your own marketing? Thank you very much for the great service eric. All the best.

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• Isobel said:
  

  Interesting, he says: “I work through many different identities and own a VERY large amount of websites, this includes forums, membership sites, squeeze pages, product sales pages and quite a bit more.” Somewhere else he claims to have been in IM a long time. Yet he still has to run scams to make any money at all.

  The guy is not only a scumbag, he’s a totally incompetent scumbag!

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• Tina Lindgren said:
  

  Hi Eric
  Thank you very much for this informative article.

  It is unbeliavable to read this scammers arguments, for what he is doing.

  The good side of this sad story is that the demand for honest marketers, will never end, and that´s where the good guys ( you, paul and many other hardworking marketers) will get rewarded with loyal customers, and Jv partners, who will love to do longterm business with you.

  I hope that the scammer will experience that bad karma is glued to his dirty money, and he won´t be able to enjoy them.

  Cheers
  Tina

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• Ryan K said:
  

  Doesn’t surprise me a bit. Simple slight of hand magician crap. Best to find a reputable company to help build your list…

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• Nate said:
  

  Like anyone gives a shit about internet marketeers… They are the scum of the earth, and quite possibly worse human beings than bankers..
  I’m glad to hear you get ripped off, once in a while. This is what you do to soo many people on a daily basis..
  Marketing scum..

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• Mr Bearly said:
  

  G’Day Eric and all, yeah I’ve been scammed as well to the tune of $1,000s. Not proud of that but have moved on.

  Andy claims to … own a VERY large amount of websites, this includes forums, membership sites, squeeze pages, product sales pages and quite a bit more.. So why does he even need to scam? Shouldn’t all this virtual real estate be making some money for him? Couldn’t he just plug a sign-up form on his busiest websites and get his 35k list?

  Naah! He is just full of BS and is still a lazy wannabe.

  58 suckers @ $400 = $23,200. Hmmm… So that’s why he scams, makes more from that than running his sites legitimately.

  Perhaps he should write and ebook on how to make $20,000 a month by scamming. Just joking.

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• Guard Yourself Now said:
  

  This guy sounds like he is so proud of himself for being a pro scam. I know nothing in this letter is true but he felt the need to return a letter to him letting him know about his so called family. Their is nothing wrong with this guy he knows how to hit below the belt, and he did it, Now we need to catch him but he also knows it will take a while (Catch me if you can) His is most likely outside of the US and young so getting caught is not really an issues it is the thrill of the hunt. BEWARE is the key word. I am sure by now their is a Black list. Thank you Eric for giving us the heads up. Never let your guard down ask questions and stay aware. Thank You so much

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• Sera said:
  

  Your conclusion is succinct and on key–however, may I add:

  * THIS SCAMMER IS LIKE A GANGSTER THUG *

  …and I’ve known many, LITERALLY and in person.

  Not just because he deceives in order to rob, cheat and steal. But because “he” justifies his actions, and deceives himself with rationalizations that will temporarily soothe his own conscience so he can sleep at night.

  When his psyche refuses to accept the lies he feeds himself and decides to join reality and confess to himself that his actions are plain wrong, he will be sickened by what he has done, without any way to undo his actions.

  ATTN: SCAMMERS–REMORSE IS A BITCH!

  *** You can lie to others…they will learn or move on.

  *** You can lie to God…s/he knows the truth anyway.

  *** But lying to yourself is the worst sin of all…because your SELF will believe the lies, and be deceived. Thus, you’re not living in reality, let alone being true to yourself.

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• Lynn said:
  

  This is why though I have opted in to many IM
  lists I very rarely purchase product.
  I did some math on it recently, and
  realized that if I bought into every
  IM scheme (and yes, this IS what the
  majority are (if you read the disclaimer
  of earnings none are guaranteed to earn
  cash for the buyer, no matter what the
  sales pitch states)), I’d most likely
  have paid out my whole yearly income
  and more, and have no guaranteed income
  to show for same.

  Good job posting this, Eric.

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• Michele said:
  

  Are the moderators at the Warrior Forum doing anything about it? Good grief, times are tough for everyone but to stoop that low is just despicable.
  With a bit of ingenuity I am sure he can be tracked down, and once he is, it will not be pretty.
  The internet just seem to harbor more and more scums, it’s so hard to know where to turn these days. You can only be as vigilant as you possibly can be.

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• Don Hill said:
  

  Wow - here we all are, in an industry that’s rife with BS like forged Paypal screenshots showing “five-figure paydays” and the aforementioned “trappings of success” (photos of mansions, exotic cars, bundles of Benjamins, and tropical beaches with a disgustingly-attractive couple strolling on the sand)…

  And we’re surprised to discover that there are SCAMMERS in our midst? Has our industry’s overlying motto suddenly become, “Duhh - WINNING!”

  Wherever and whenever large sums of money are involved, there also will be the scammers and con-artists. They especially thrive where there is already an atmosphere of confusion, coupled with a certain “suspension of disbelief.”

  I’m amazed at how so many people seem to simply throw caution to the wind when going online to “make money” - apparently believing that somehow the internet operates on a completely different set of morals and principles than the “offline” world does.

  It doesn’t help much when the overwhelming majority of “promo tools” I see offered to affiliates these days appear to be designed to attract only lazy, greedy people who don’t want to do anything “hard.”

  Most of them would stand a much better chance of making “big money” by just taking their seven dollars (which the best sales copy in the world couldn’t convince them to part with) and just buy lottery tickets with it instead.

  I personally don’t do the “ad swap thing,” because I’ve seen otherwise “good” marketers basically ending up having to serve TWO masters - their OWN subscribers, and their “swap PARTNERS.” (Notice that I didn’t say the partners’ SUBSCRIBERS?)

  If you aren’t “in sync” with your ad-swap partner(s), your subscribers will notice the inconsistencies, and you may find yourself losing some of your BEST subscribers, as a result of their being bombarded by too many attempts to get them to click on your partner’s links - whether you do that by sending out MORE emails, or by “stuffing” the links of multiple partners into one email.

  Either way, the Call To Action is diluted, if not defeated altogether.

  It’s almost gotten to the point that if an email starts out with “My good friend XXXXX just came out with…” then I find my cursor being almost irresistably being drawn down towards the “unsubscribe” link. I won’t say what will keep me from actually clicking that link - but anyone who understands marketing already knows how to accomplish that.

  The idea of posting a public “blacklist” may sound attractive at first thought, but I can assure you that the first time you’re served with a summons to respond to a seven-figure libel lawsuit, you may end up having second thoughts about bad-mouthing someone in a medium that keeps everything forever (if you know where to look for it).

  However, if I were to change my mind and decide to engage in an ad-swap, it would only be with people who I’ve personally spoken with, whether via phone or by Skype. I’d also refrain from engaging in swaps with anyone who couldn’t (or won’t) provide me with references of other people they’ve swapped with - including contact details so I can check them out.

  Reagan offered some very wise advice when he said, “Trust - but VERIFY!” If the other party objects, then I quote Don Corleone - “Nothin’ personal - It’s just BUSINESS!”

  (Sorry about the long comment - I tend to “get wound up” when writing about things like this…)

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  • Fran Watson said:
    

    It seems that many people have “a good friend who…..” I have many of these emails coming in every day and I just delete them. Some may be legit, but I tend to stick with the names I know.

    I am going to do what Jim suggested a few posts back, put a link to this on my Internet Marketing Blog.

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• Adrian lennon said:
  

  I just wanted to say what a great job you have done there eric and i feel sorry to hear about a true marketing guy like paul for trusting a fake scammer the Warrior Forum,
  I`d receive emails from this so called guy Andy a few time when i sign up the first time and i did a bit more research on his information and nothing was adding up on the deal he had to offer to me so i left it as that and still get email from the same guy,
  I`d enjoys reading all the comment from everyone here it`s amazing how small the world really is and when the peoples speak up about the truth of those fake scammers and crimes the real problem is we can never get rid of them they will always find another way to strike again and they do and they will do what ever it take to get what they want and they don`t really care who they go for,
  As far i am concern a fake scammer will alway be a scammer and that very true and also there are true honest marketing out there but learn to do you`r home work first before buying anything, it a common thing to do for you`r own safety and you`r money ?

  Hey Eric –
  I wanted to let you know about a service called Project Honey Pot. It allows you to track and help catch spammers who harvest email addresses from your web pages, i reckon give this a shot to follow up on this for paul to track andy down ?
  i`m a member and i use Project Honey Pot when i had a few problems with a hacker in u,s,a and i track down the hacker and guess what the hacker was so worry once i sent him an email and then reported him after i got his full information where about he was that was another scammer that tried the same thing on me ?
  this is worth giving this a shot

  > >http://www.projecthoneypot.org?rf=88320

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• Dylan Loh said:
  

  Thanks for sharing your experience. Its really sad when someone does something like that. How long does he think he can sustain what he is doing? Does he even realize that it is not viable what he is doing? Hopefully he gets shut down by Paypal sooner then later!!

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• Glenn said:
  

  Thanks for exposing the state of things here, Eric. In my experience, this type of individual has been more of the rule rather than the exception.

  There are more scams out there than you can shake a stick at, and trying to find something or someone who isn’t a scammer - whether through info products that don’t actually contain viable info; programs that are supposed to be complete, containing all the “secrets”, holding nothing back, then completely glossing over details and lacking info on required resources; or individuals who claim to provide services but really don’t - is far more of a challenge than most people, especially newbies, would like to believe.

  It’s a jungle of scammers out there, each one intent on fleecing newbies and those with more experience alike. I’ve run into everything from people who claim to drive traffic and then only run an auto-ping program for a set number of pings (after investigation I located and downloaded the auto-ping programs myself to play with and test them out), to hundreds of useless eBooks and audio programs that were a bit pricey, yet contained no useable info at all and could not produce the results they claimed to at all. Selling bogus information or incomplete info is one of the biggest scams out there, often asking an additional fee for “resale rights”, so others can perpetuate the scam as well and profit from the innocent and unknowing.

  I’ve also run into individuals who have claimed to be newbies who have had great success in selling a product or service and claimed if they an do it, anyone can, then found out after falling for their story that they actually had a following of thousands of people who sign up under them in any business they join, and the new person is unable to replicate the success being flaunted, not having the advantage of a following which the scammer happily does not disclose in any marketing materials. There are a handful of these guys running around out there as well.

  Not too long ago, I purchased a book that was supposed to be guaranteed to expose all the real ways to make money on the internet after exchanging emails with the author a few times. I was appalled to find it was filled with scams (or what is referred to as “black hat” techniques), including how to pretend to be a hot female looking to hook up, set up fake meets, and how to extract money via dating sites and chat programs. Personally, I was shocked, but the authors defense was that he was honest and legit because “every one of the techniques works and is a proven money maker”, despite every one of them being dishonest, deceiptful, and a scam of one kind or another.

  Your Andy to me appears to simply be joining the crowd, and is not an exception at all, I’m sorry to say. It’s always good to see these low-life’s exposed, in any case, and providing some awareness of all the con games going on on the internet for the benefit of novices and those who somehow have been around for a while and yet remain unaware of the state of affairs as they really are.

  All the best…

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• Stanley said:
  

  Hi Guys, this sort of carrying on is not limited to online marketing, offline business practice also have crooks plying their victims on such a manner being treated as their business. These people know the law very well, may be they have been practicing law or are very well connected with law, and know how to evade prosecutions, and unfortunately sometimes the law is protecting them under limited company liability. They know their victims will have to spent a lot of time, and efforts trying to trace them, and most of the time is not worth their time and efforts, and will drop the case, and even if their victims pursuing to the authorities, their losses were too small to be bother to instigate an investigation, and these crooks knew that, it is a shame that this small groups so called business people has done enormous damage to this industries, and it is all down to greed. Our law and legal system are full of loopholes, only those with knowledge and experience will know how to exploit them, that is a fact of life, what we can do is learn from others and their mistakes, and be vigilant and mindful not to fall into their bates, every victims are the same to them, and they used temptation such as best offers, fast results, or anything that makes you feel it is most beneficial for you and hard to resist not to take part on their offer as a trap. That is the weakness of human nature, and these crooks use it to the full without fail, and is hard to prosecuting them because of the legal system is also part to be blame, it costing you a lot of money to go after them in which makes it not worth your while, and these crooks knows it, that is why they are so daring even admitting these crime openly because they know where they stands. Paypal may also part to be blame on harboring this sort of practice within their organization with rules that set out to protecting these crooks, in business you will always find corruptions because of money involved, and these crooks know their victims are having a hard time to proof their crime, so the only solution to this is not to be greedy, and never belief anything too good to be true, often these are the baits that lead to financial losses and suffering. Even you may have a fair idea who these people are, often there are lacking of proof by the victim, surely there are people in the circle who may know who this crooks are, but they either don’t want to be involve or may had been paid within their circle to stay quiet, that is the reality of what involve in business, full of trickiness and dirt if you are not alert, this are white collar crimes, unless there is an international body will stand up to act upon this criminal activities, and have international law and legal system to apply across all countries and borders to regulate and to enforce the internet business to comply, at present the law is as bad as their victims as they are all scattered and differs, and is worthless on protecting international consumers in particular on virtual commodities, such as one law apply to one state and not to another, that is why so many honest people has been conned. Unless the internet communities as a whole want something to be done, there is little credit in this industry as a main reason why 95% of people enter the market had failed. People were being robbed and have their money stolen legally under the protection of this commercial law world wide.
  Sometimes even Government will turn a blind eye to these activities because of tax receive on profits, as long as these crooks can get away under the legislation of their states law, it is revenue needed for the country associated with business and wealth. No doubt this is an international problem, and require international efforts to solve these problems, only when the whole world and all nations is united will find an answer to stop this sinful human activities as we all recognized and accepted this is fraud. Anything requires you to pay upfront before you receive your goods and or services that involve small or large amount of money requires careful consideration and never judge the book on its cover, that is the golden rule and motto for good practice on all business venture.
  I am Stanley Wong from Ireland, and what I had express is only represent my view and personal opinion, and is not directing any accusation to anyone nor towards any organizations or government bodies on any countries. My statement serve as my freedom of speech on subject relating to consumer rights that apply to physical and virtual goods or services alike on commercial or ecommerce trading world wide only.

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• Howard Hill said:
  

  Andrew Tudor ihas also been spelled Andrew Tutor in the past I have seen both renditions mentioned over the years he is not a new scammer by any means he has been at this for at least 5 years that I am aware of. I check everyone out before I give them a dime not because I am paranoid but I have lost my share of money over the past 15 years to scammers since I started checking everyone out first I went from losing a couple hundred a year to losing nothing a year.

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• Valorie said:
  

  Eric, thank you for so ethically exposing some of the methods scammers use. THANKS also for being one of the good guys! I’ve been following you since Joel’s Internet Millionaire and I feel blessed that there are fellow Coloradans like you in the IM world leading the way!! I’m STILL a 57-yr-old newbie and am confident I will make all this work, especially with Christian mentors like you on the internet. My current personal situation is truly as bad or worse than the scammer’s purported tale of woe. Admittedly, I find myself very tempted to fall for the Push Button offers so I can make $50/day, etc. etc. Exposing this scammer’s methods will certainly help me to also think before I act on JV ventures sometime in my future. Keep up the great work! Bless you, dear Eric!

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• Steve Schmidt said:
  

  A guy going by the name ‘Monta’ on WF scammed me out of $500 for 2 solo ads. The thread is here: ( http://bit.ly/fraud-forum-proof ).

  This has ruined my trust of anyone offering solo ads, unless they are established and have a reputation to protect.

  I’ve recently started using the Directory of Ezines to find solo ad providers, as it seems to be a safer way to go, but we shall see.

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• Lloyd C. Kenfield said:
  

  Thank you for sharing. It is very helpful. Keep up the good work.

  Lloyd C. Kenfield

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• charles said:
  

  It is good to learn of scammers, but

  Hey has Internet Marketing become holier than thou, has greed and gold become the god to bend the knee to, I think the biggest con artists are those that create optin lists then have a software do their bidding by delivering emails, knowing that someone is going to give them money on a product that is in most cases really worthless.

  Then bragging of the thousands they made last month

  When you shop at any local store do they stick a cookie on you [ NO ] so why does it happen on the internet.

  Take a look at the state of the world, do you honestly believe that GOD is going to let sin control the world.

  I believe there are two beast mentioned in the bible and one of them is the internet, and we have been warned to come out of it.

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• sergio said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  I take my hat off to you for exposing this scammer.He almost sounds like he is doing… some sort of community service.

  I also received a lot of strange emails about safe swapping lately, most from Europe…hint.

  Could this be someone that proudly calls himself…Money Mike and ripped hundreds (maybe thousands) of people off with a magic software called Auto Commission Bot? Who knows.

  I am proud of being part of your list and if you keep your integrity I will be part of your list for a long time

  Sergio

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• Omar said:
  

  This guy should be sent straight to jail.
  No if’s and’s or but’s.
  It’s a shame.

  This kind of stuff is exactly why we’ve built IMtrustworthy.

  Omar

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• Quotes by John Wooden said:
  

  In reading his response, it seemed to me to be a rather clever con man. He felt he could further fleece the mark, and was setting it up. If he is instead honest, I would tell him that he owes me, and leave it at that. Maybe he will one day become honest, and pay back his victims.

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• sex said:
  

  sex

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• Mark Fisher said:
  

  This is sickening.
  I’ve done quite a few “blind” ad swaps and these have always paid off for me.
  Next time, I’m going to set up reporting first so people can see that I’m sending them real traffic.

  - Mark

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• Terry W Clark said:
  

  Hi Eric

  This guy-Andy- is a liar when he said he was sorry. I know better, if he said I apologies to you Paul, he might be stating the truth, but if he is the scam er he says he is I wouldn’t believe a word he says. Besides, how do you know if his name is Andy Tudor.

  Don’t work with him, he is a crook!!!

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• Aaron Moragani said:
  

  I am not surprised by this….heck for all we know…this letter is fake and is an attempt to gain our sympathy and lower our defenses to Eric. I believe the answer is simple…We should and must police ourselves and we when ferret out a scammer….Stone him or her….but that’s just my opinion.

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• TPJaveton said:
  

  Remarkable story, Eric. Thanks for sharing it.

  Either this scammer thinks he’s untouchable, or he doesn’t care about existing laws against his actions. Either way, he should be put out of business; More for his brazen arrogance than for the actual crime because, ultimately, he’s saying to others like him ‘hey look what I did, you can probably do it too’. Everyone commenting on this post, remember the name Andrew Tudor! “Trust but verify”, although a political term, might be a good creed by which to interact on the Web.

  TPJ-

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• Dani Vlad said:
  

  Hi Eric!

  Thank you so much for exposing this “Andy” spammer guy and for your bold comments. I have known Paul for several years now and even worked with him on a project before. All I can say about him is that he is legit, very honest and will always go out of his way to make it right.

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• Claudia said:
  

  Hi Eric,
  Thanks for giving this alert on “Andy.” I recently bought a course which teaches how to do ad swaps to build a list…but I have been too untrusting to try it. I have been scammed several times already. I still believe in online business and want to be a legitimate business woman and Internet Marketer. Wouldn’t it be nice if there were some way to check up on people who want to get into IM? Of course, there are always a few bad apples that seem to want to spoil everything for the rest of us. One thing I have come to know is that I can trust you. I hope people reading this blog will realize that you are top shelf. Please keep passing on alerts and maybe even a list of marketers who are “white hatters” so we can choose more wisely.

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• Emmanuel Adegbola said:
  

  Hi Eric,
  Thanks for the info, i have been duped many times even myself, can you imagine one of the top pirated IM guru put up ads for 10 million mega email, guess what, i had only 10 clicks- - -funny? Another one for 35k list, no respond, no refund and so on. Sometimes i don’t even know who to trust again.
  All the info product now is about money money and money, how they make 40k, 100k in a month and after ordering the junks, they are same old same old.

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• Aldo said:
  

  Hi Eric,
  I think I have been scammed so many times I think it is just Pot Luck now.
  I have a list of scammers but am thinking about what to do with it. I would like to wait until I have more success myself and then organise personal visits to these people.
  I have a strong sense of justice, Like Judge Dread !!
  Thanks Eric for the email.
  Aldo

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• Claudia said:
  

  Incidently…The Stripped Down Profits product was very bad…I don’t like the sales pitches that don’t say what the product really IS that is actually being sold. For example, a “revolutionary traffic getting monster software” turns out to be a keyword finder tool…what a disappointment! and then the OTO on the backend is a product you asked for a refund for last week!!! The same old crap in a different package. I also think Clickbank should start policing what they allow to be launched from their site before they lose their reputation, too. My latest experience with them has been products being launched before they are ready…it’s OK if you tell the customer the software is “beta” - it’s another thing to launch when the whole offer hasn’t even been put together…the downloads don’t work, the videos are “coming” and so on.
  If I see any of that…I ask for a refund right away.

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• Gloria said:
  

  Good looking out, Eric. So many people are running scared because of finances and opting-in to anything. It is so sad, but true that fear of loss will cause unprincipled people to do anything. That’s why I refuse to be rushed, cajoled into anything that I am not sure of nor anything I don’t understand. It is the wise who get understanding before jumping into anything. Making money can cloud vision; if allowed.

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• Claudia said:
  

  And Here’s one more thought…I remember one of your first lessons Eric where you say having your own product is the best way to make money online. Affiliate marketing or promoting other products from Clickbank or other networks is a bit of a crap shoot. You should always buy the product and check it out before you recommend it…otherwise you may be recommending something like the shotty products mentioned.

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• Valorie said:
  

  oooops…my bad! “Joel and YOUR Internet Millionaire…”

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• Jim said:
  

  How can we be sure that the emails you’re citing above were not created just to discredit this guy?

  However, I would like to point out that the same website offered a football betting system (Slicer’s Bet) that it claimed would earn 100% profit. The product turned out to be very dangerous and certainly not 100% certain to win.

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• cris said:
  

  This isn’t really sad or surprising. The more you get into the IM industry the more of this sort of thing you see. People get scammed out of their money for solo ads on the warrior forum all the time. The desperation to build a big list will lead people to throwing money around and ultimately getting scammed.

  Though this guy’s admission was surprising, the reality of it is that he’ll get away with it scot free and probably go onto make a lot of money on the back of building up that big list nice and easily, not to mention the cash he’s got out of his scam as well.

  I can bet you anything that you’ll start seeing a new ‘name’ up on the $37 clickbank product JV leaderboards over the next few months. It’s gonna be this guy with his new shiny list.

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• Annie said:
  

  I am not shocked nor surprised. Most of the people on the net who are selling stuff are liars and thieves. Of course they are! That is kind of what “selling” is; is it not? A salesperson coerces another to take the bait so that s/he (the salesperson) can benefit. How many really care what happens after they get a person’s money? I haven’t met many. If there were a lot of sales people who delivered on their promises - a lot more people would be “quitting their J.O.B.s!!”.

  Thank you for such a blunt eye-opener, Eric. I did notice that “Andy” was attempting to manipulate Paul again, and also that he attempted to blame the people from which he stole. He’s got the manners of a typical sociopath. Frankly, I wouldn’t do business with anyone whose lack of English skills is such an atrocity. Thanks again for showing us all what it’s mostly about.

  By the way, I am not the “Annie” he referred to. I’ve never stolen anything in my life. Maybe that’s why I’ve never made any money from the net. *shrug*.

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• Nick said:
  

  I have been doing adswaps for over a year now and have been mislead by some saying that they can send 1k unique and went ahead with the swap as usual only to be short changed.

  But this tops the cake!

  There is a lot more happening out there in the lead generation arena than most know… and many scams are not as transparent as the one you expose.

  So, if I can be blunt and I will. Do your own due diligence and be prepared to take steps to protect your assets!

  TIPs to help protect yourself from scammers.

  1. Do test mailings with new people you partner with.

  2. Always ask where you can sign up to their list.

  3. Start out with an acceptable loss strategy

  4. Scrutinize without exposing you are. Most people are generally good people so you don’t want to offend them =)

  5. Get recommendations from people you know to get an extra layer of piece of mind.

  6. Treat adswaps and Solo ads as an extension of your business. Those that do this business know there is potential for great returns

  7. ALWAYS ALWAYS see what you are mailing to… Remember this is your list and they will judge you poorly or rightly depending on the offers you send them to - free or paid!

  Eric… Let me sum up this deceiver with three words… what a wanker!

  cheers
  ~ Nick

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• Newheart said:
  

  It’s a crying shame that a few bad apples spoil the IM reputation and cause such disruption in your business. It doesn’t matter if it is on the Internet, a local or global business, they are all around, lying, cheating and stealing from honest folks trying to make a living. Folks like this will eventually cause so many regulations to put in place that it will be very difficult for any of us to make money online, it won’t be worth the hassle having to jump through all of the government hoops and red tape. Let’s find them and string them up!

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• Parveen said:
  

  Hi Eric
  Thanks for your useful insight. I know this has been a growing problem for all IM. It is a shame, other than a quick background check there isn’t much that can be done about these guys. But I think everyone has been scammed at some point which makes you realize the good guys. I have started using Scam.com, along with Google to check out anything dubious.
  Look forward to your next installment!

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• Dominck Savillo said:
  

  Well this story surely does not surprise me. I’ve heard of that scam before and many varitions of it. Too bad some people feel they have a right to victim others. I truly hope he gets what he deserves, a jail cell.

  But I dought it will ever happen. He may not even be within the United States, how would Paul be able to make a case againist him unless Paypal supported Paul.

  “Caveat Emptor” Everybody!

  Cross check everything you can about new contacts your about to do business with. Google them and get positive feedback from people you already know and respect.

  Thanks Eric for taking the time to remind us all to keep our guard up!

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• Theodore Hall said:
  

  Eric,
  Thanks for bringing this to everyone’s attention. Too bad there isn’t some way to bring justice to someone like “Andy”. Ted Hall

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• Mr. Ben said:
  

  Open his emails in an email reader that will allow you to see the full headers. These will enable you to trace the email back to where it originates from. If the email was sent using yahoo or any other similar web mail system, look for the originating IP address.

  You can then go to senderbase.org and where it says, ‘Look up your network:’ see what information that will give you.

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• Joel said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  The worst thing is that this scammer guy (Andrew Tudor) looks like he have a lot of technical skills, so instead of scaming people, why he doesn´t offer his services as a freelancer?.

  Thanks for the information

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  • Richard Mortimer said:
    

    That’s what makes me think Andy Tutor and PHP Andy are one and the same…! I know PHP Andy is tech savvy and he’s a lying con artist…

    Thanks,

    Richard

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• JIMBO said:
  

  Thanks for the heads up! Even the most astute biz-man gets “nailed” periodically. However, things have a way of evening out long term.
  The mills of the gods grind slowly; yet they grind exceedingly fine.

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• Rob said:
  

  Hi Eric,
  Sad to see such braziness openly but not really
  surprising.Also what about the adswap partners
  who only mail out to their unresponsive lists of freebie seekers in return for your responsive buyers mailings for them? Unannounced upsells, false scarcity, and incomplete tutorials? The list goes on and will only get bigger.

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• Steven Keltsch said:
  

  Hey Eric,
  I talked to Paul at Ken McArthur JV Alert. And, you are right. Paul is one of the good ones. The short time we spent over the weekend I came to know Paul is a caring Christian. If Andy would have been honest in the begining, I am sure any of us would be willing to help. But you have to bring something to the table. Lies and dishonesty is not going to cut it. Many are hurting, because of this terrible Recession. Better to spread hope and love in stand of lies and deception.

  Steven Keltsch

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• Veronica said:
  

  I read somewhere that every profession in the world has at least 5% of its members/employees who are “bad eggs!” Which is why we sometimes read about bank managers embezzeling funds, or the misdeeds of crooked cops. Not surprising then that IM has the occasional deceiver on the prowl.

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• Wendy said:
  

  Wow, this is really rough. I have not had this problem as I have not yet started building my list.

  The fact that this person really needs the money (if that is even true) does not make what he is doing right. How many people has he scammed that are out of work and may also really need the money.

  I have known Paul for a while now through subscription to his lists and having several products and programs he’s involved in.

  It’s really a shame that this kind of thing can happen to such good people.

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• Mk Akan said:
  

  It will be very sad that something like this is allowed to countinues to happen online….this guy needs to be stopped and taken out.
  The lesson here is ,We all have to be careful online.
  Sorry Paul..he will reap what he sowwed …Karma is not asleep.

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• P. JACKSON said:
  

  Hellow,

  Thanks for the warning. I’m very new at this and now feel really sad that someone would dip so low to get traffic. I really need traffic but I have to live with my actions. Sorry this happened. It helps me with doing the right thing. To draw the right energy my way. Take care. We need to LOVE MORE.

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• Disgusted said:
  

  As my nickname says. I have had my fair share of scams before making sense that is possible - even - to make a living over the Internet but this is a “Big One”. Never ever imagined 2011 had such gems to offer. Stripped Down Profits is nothing at the comparison.

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• Jeffrey S Wyrick said:
  

  This is exactly the reason why people are so scared to do ad swaps and pay for legitimate solo ads these days. Guys like this offer you so much and then deliver little or nothing at all. Over the past couple of years my buddy Ken and I have worked with some great guys and done some really nice things, both sending out solo ads for people and working with mutually beneficial swaps.

  Then we see guys like this who don’t care, just want to take advantage of people any way he can and all for money ? ? ? Really ? ? ?

  I suspect it’s more than that, maybe he thinks it’s funny or has grown bored working for a living, so he’s laughing at those who are still making an effort while he STEALS their money or takes advantage of a one way ad swap.

  These people may seem honest or seem to have good intentions, but if we’re not careful guys like this fake Andy character have proven that it can and will happen to almost anyone, even an honest marketer with good intentions.

  As for Paul, for any of those who are reading, he and his partner are both great guys and to see anyone treat them this was is just sad, but to see the arrogance in this persons replies takes it to a whole new level. I hope that none of the people reading this ever have to deal with this kind of situation, but if you’re sending out ad swaps or paying for solo ads be careful. If this guy can get to Paul who’s a seasoned marketer, he can get to ANY of us!

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• Daryl Austman said:
  

  Eric, as you can see that “1″ little email and post has rocketed around the internet world in record time… and has set off a few alarms in a few peoples minds about being more alert to this type of scam.

  Thanks again for bringing this to light and giving us the power to let our IM friends/buddies know about it. I’ve sent a bunch of people here as obviously others have so… GOOD information does spread fast.

  Glad to say I know some ethical internet marketers. I enjoy educating my followers and friends about the “good guys” like yourself and many others in these comments.

  Cheers!

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• Doc Durdin said:
  

  Greetings all,
  I have so much to do as such Im not one to spend time responding to chatter of the Warriors Forum, although I do enjoy researching there. Eric, is one of few that I even open mail for because I believe he is one of a handful with good intention.

  Like many, I have been scammed but took it as a valuable lesson to be on guard. I will only deal with verifiable merchants and pay for results. If I can not pay with a protection source,then I don’t need your service.

  The bigger crooks to me are the ones with the power to destroy hard working folks who have helped to build their business and are now being cast aside like trash. Google and EBay are two of the biggest offenders who falsely use “quality content” as an excuse to pretend they are not peddling wares, while slapping us with a label of being scammers. The fact is, they spy on your stats and if they feel you are making to much they have the power to limit or outright kill your business. I for one would like to see all marketers fight back against these power brokers.

  Cheers, Doc

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• Allan said:
  

  Reading that message from that Andy guy was like getting inside the head of a sociopath. He had everything arranged neatly in place within his distorted psyche to justify his predatory behavior. A true bottom feeder.

  The real tragedy is that this disturbed person is preying on the trust of others and in effect taking a quality that makes us human and turning it into a vulnerability. People like that in essence rob others of that very quality that makes us human.

  Our best defense is to make sure they don’t succeed by destroying our capacity to trust. That doesn’t mean we can’t be cautious, but it does mean protecting our ability to trust.

  People like “Andy” eventually end up consumed by their own end-justifies-the-means fanaticism. Their minds are obsessed with the gap between what they have and what they want, so they feel justified in doing whatever it takes to get to the end. They try hard to convince themselves that they’re benefiting from it, but in reality they’re fanning a fire within themselves that robs them of the success they’re desperately trying to obtain and it eventually consumes them. You can sense this happening with Andy in what he wrote. Here you have a guy who has “actually been in IM a very long time”, however he is consumed by debt and has driven himself to desperation. No matter what he tries, his situation will only worsen. He’s digging his own grave and doesn’t even realize it.

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• James said:
  

  To take it a step further here. When I provide my e-mail address to anyone thru their opt in or squeeze page or any other method to your list, you have already assured me that you “respect” my privacy and will not sell or trade my info with anyone else. Therefore trading or swapping of e-mail lists is already a violation of my rights in the 1st place.

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  • Eric said:
    

    The type of swap referred to here, is not swapping the actual lists or email addresses. The way it works, is the marketer emails his OWN list, sending a promotion for the other marketer in the swap.

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    • Pat said:
      

      I find it annoying to be sent ‘offers’ from others by someone I subscribed to WHEN THEY HAVE NOT VETTED THEM.
      WHen inundated with every offer — good or bad — that crosses a marketers threshold, I unsubscribe. Really destroys my opinion of your integrity.
      By my choice, I no longer receive email or newsletters from a number of “star IM gurus”, whose primary purpose seems to be to win contests and rack up affiliate fees.

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• Socrates Socratous said:
  

  Paul showed me this blog post so I thought I ‘d pop in a give you all an update and my side of the story.

  on the same night I purchased 2 “solo” ads from 2 different threads on the warrior forum.

  one was for $450 for 3 mailins by some guy who called himeself “ANDY TUDOR”
  Merchant information from paypal:
  Nancy Cole
  payments@gpredatorsystem.com

  and the other was $500 for 2 mailings by some one who goes by: “DAVE RIVERA”
  Merchant information from paypal:
  MR T A R Cassell
  montarivera@gmail.com

  They both turned out to be FAKE. and I believe they are the same person, as I started seeing similarities to the way they both responded to my emails (after the fact)

  Paypal dispute was denied and was ruled to the favor of the scammers. I tried to resolve this with paypal to no avail. They said they “keep an eye on them” but they wouldnt return the money.

  However, I had purposely used a business credit card account to pay this so I got the money back through a chargeback.

  Here is the most interesting part of all this (I have never seen a scammer do this before)

  This is the last email he sent me after he had won the dispute:

  ====
  Well, it appears I have won that dispute… so I have changed my mind. The NO REFUNDZ policy now applies.

  I look forward working with you again in the future, I will spend the more wisely, don’t worry!

  I am going to enjoy a nice cigar, which might seem a waste of money but it’s just to celebrate your failure, the sweet and smokey taste of success..

  It’s only $450 man, it’s not much at all, but I guess with all the others out there that I clearly SCAMMED, it all adds up at the end of each and every day!

  You are indeed the idiot that fell into the scamtrap. How’s that for disrespect? - You think your money was enough? No, please… it’s the pure enjoyment of scamming you that makes it worthwhile.

  I suggest you get onto your credit card company Socrates, it’s obviously a bad sign if you had to use a CREDIT card to purchase a solo ad, what’s wrong? Out of money? I hope you starve.

  Best Regards,
  Andy
  =====

  It is sad that paypal continues to allow people to exploit their system for obvious scams.

  Hope this helps someone,
  Best,
  -Socrates Socratous

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  • Michaela said:
    

    Oh Boy! Socrates the arrogance of this person is incredible… The Paypal policy is protecting Andy not the innocent people, I am very surprised…
    Eric I hope you will publish the end of this saga.
    You make a great service to IM community publishing the entire story, the response is overwhelming and I hope this type of spams will go away, but to accomplish this, the scams must be exposed.
    All the best Socrates and Eric

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• Eric said:
  

  Socrates, thanks for the update.

  I will add this additional “confession” from Andy to my blog post.

  I too think “Andy Tudor” and “Dave Rivera” (aka Monta on the Warrior Forum) are indeed the same person.

  In one of his emails to Paul, Andy denies that he is Monta, and even says he has warned other people to stay away from Monta, out of the goodness of his heart. This makes it all the more seem to me like they are one in the same.

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  • Michaela said:
    

    I think you are right Eric, this guy reacts without scruple, is full of arrogance and thinks that he can full everybody.
    It is pathetic.

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• Andrea said:
  

  This is precisely why I can’t bring myself to get involved again in any IM business. I was already scammed for over $1,400 a couple of years ago by a ruthless, fraudulent IM business who thankfully was reported and finally put out of business but now I don’t trust anyone anymore. I’m currently still unemployed and really need to make some money but am afraid of getting scammed again since I’m a newbie. How do I know who to trust?

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  • Doug said:
    

    Andrea,

    Sorry to hear about your loss to the fraudulent IM crowd out there. I believe the main problem you had was dealing with somebody you did not know, therefore, had no basis for assessing a business dealing with them. Who to trust is a much harder question to answer than you may think because there is too much anonymity afforded by processors such as PayPal. My advice would be to learn all you can about bringing internet marketing and electronic advertising to businesses in you local area. There is good money to be made in offering these services. The down side? It does require you to actually interface with your clients and perform work. There can be no big promises about creating a product, selling it, and retiring overnight. A fair amount of free information is out on the internet and some free forums focusing on developing your “offline” business. I will not list any because I do not want to give the perception of pitching something. I will say that I moved from online to offline and have been very happy since. Maybe Eric can recommend a course (or other training) if you desire to pursue this route. Best of luck to you.

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• Len said:
  

  I don’t know why this guy is spending so much time setting up scams. It probably takes more time to hide his identity and set up the scam than it would to be totally HONEST and straight up, I’m sure that if he was honest with the people he has scammed and legitimately asked for help that he would have gotten it without scamming anyone. I personally hate Thieves and Liars and he is both so I hope he looses everything. I’m tired of getting screwed by those type of people, that’s why I’ve given up on ever making any money on the internet.

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• Dr Claude Windenberger said:
  

  The truth is that anyone who sees a scammer is a scammer. The world is as we are. We can only see what we create in our minds. If we want to be free from scammers and spammers and what not, we need to stop looking for them. But the real culprit is our addiction to the emotional reactions that such situations trigger–addiction to feeling angry, revengeful, pissed, etc. So create unconditional freedom from such reactions and you will experience a completely different world.

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  • Ria said:
    

    Dr. Windenberger;
    I do not agree with your statement.

    We have the right to be angry over the “accidental” finding of being scammed.
    We have the right to be angry at peoples dishonesty when we “choose” to work honestly.
    We have the right to make sure beyond a shadow of a doubt that other people are protected from the scum that prays on people.

    It’s not an addiction, I hardly believe that most people look for the scammer’s and spammer’s. As a matter of fact, they find people and gosh, before you know it, you have a situation that has to be dealt with swiftly and sternly.

    There is nothing funny about people who choose to be dishonest. Equally, there is absolutely nothing funny about you thinking a “victim” is looking to victimized as your comment suggests.

    Paul is a victim who tried to give Andy the benefit of the doubt. In return, he was victimized even farther by the mere fact Andy thought it was a game.

    Personally, I think Paul was great in how he handle this situation. The only thing he received in return was Andy laughing at how he
    victimized Paul and other’s just like him.

    Your comment suggests that when someone has been scammed out of money, they should just blow it off. Well I am sorry but you are wrong.

    You can’t blow it off. You have to move fast, swiftly and firmly to make sure EVERYONE knows about the crook. Because that is exactly what these spammers and scammers are.

    Let’s take it even farther, how would you personally feel if this would happen to your mother or grandmother? Because situations just like these are happening every day.

    Personally, I choose to be proactive and help in every way possible to expose criminals just like Andy. Because we all have a moral obligation to do so.

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  • Ken Harthun said:
    

    You’re joking, right?

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  • Eric said:
    

    Very interesting comment. I understand what you’re saying, although I do not agree that it is possible to create unconditional freedom from natural emotions. IMO the freedom would be more in how you handle and resolve those emotions. And did you mean to say anyone who sees a scammer is a scammer? The statement would make more sense if you said anyone who sees a scammer is a VICTIM, although I still would not agree with it

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• David@internet marketing said:
  

  Hi Eric, hope you can hold the rest of us by the hand to avoid this kind of nasty experiences.

  David.

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• Doug Champigny said:
  

  Hey, Eric!

  Thanks for posting this. Did either Paul or Socrates relay the info to the authorities? If those of us who’ve been in the biz a long time don’t do everything to permanently weed out these jerks, we’ll never have a truly professional industry.

  The big loss here isn’t to those losing the bucks, or to those of us who’ll make less sales, but to those who really need to find a way to make money online. People like this make them afraid to try the biz, leaving them trapped in their financial crisis…

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• Douglas Stratemeyer said:
  

  There was an “Andy Tudor” selling a product named “Google Predator” on Warrior Forum about a year ago. The e-mail displayed in the post here suggested an affiliation, so I did a search.

  Warrior Forum now shows the member status for Andy Tudor as “banned”, and the sales thread for Google Predator on WF is “closed”.

  A Google search produces forums in which buyers of Google Predator purchased a subsequent “I’ll Do It For You” product for $997. The purchasers are unable to find “Andy Tudor”.
  Hmmmm.

  I’m a lawyer, and Internet marketer. I’ve spoken nationally on “Doing Business On-Line” to many groups and organizations.

  My recommendation is to file a complaint with both the Federal Trade Commission and the Attorney General of your state. They do take action when enough complaints are lodged, and the FTC will refer to the Justice Department for prosecution in some cases.

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• Ria said:
  

  Being a recent victim of fraud I HATE THIS HAS HAPPENED!

  Although Andy may think he is safe, Paul has the opportunity to file a report with IC3.gov. Which I highly suggest he do.

  The Government is looking at these scams as well as credit card scams and PayPal scams very closely.

  Although their website is hard to navigate through, he has more than enough information to support a fraud claim.

  I hope he sinks this man. People like him prey on hard working, honest people and he as well as the other’s that do this, need to be stopped.
  I think it is great Eric that you are sharing this with all of us. I would have Paul post it on Face Book, his blog if he has one and anywhere else he can.

  Personally, as soon as I posted the names of the company’s that accepted the fraudulent payments, it was funny on just how fast the money was returned. But since in my case the charges were international, IC3.gov gets involved due to the company’s lack of security it becomes very serious.
  Paul ~
  Go for the gusto!

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• Richard Adams said:
  

  Amen to everything that’s been said. I’m a newbie and I talk to others and right now because of all the scams out there now, would be internet marketeers are becoming increasingly skeptical and disillusioned. If everybody ends up walking away because of all this stuff where will the industry be? There’s dishonesty in most walks of life but the scale of it in IM is horrendous.
  How many times do we read that 98% of new people give up and are politely slagged off for lack of persistence etc. They give up because they’ve been ripped off, let down and lied to! Who can blame them?
  Richard

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• Floyd Fisher said:
  

  Eric:

  This scammer is obviously terminally stupid. I got that when he figured Socrates was using a credit card because he was out of money…what a dope to not realize credit cards are used to prevent fraudsters like him from taking advantage of hard working people like yourself.

  Do you sell any products I can buy to show my appreciation for what you did here? Or do you have a way for me to ‘buy you a beer’?

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  • Victor said:
    

    The scammer was not stupid, he was very angry that Socrates used his credit cards that can use to charged back and returned the money.
    Just my thought. Victor

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• Joy Marino said:
  

  Wow… thank you for sharing that Eric (and the gentleman who shared the information). I am appalled at the nerve of this “Andy” and will be on the lookout for him on WF. I am shocked and I don’t know what else I can say other than this: “What goes around comes around-what you do to other people will be done unto you.”
  Joy

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• Chris Harris said:
  

  This is why many people as well as myself are sick of all the sales talk. Sales isn’t really a valid profession, unless value, (not perceived value) is actually there. Tricking or swindling people is why I have yet to make one dime.

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• Mick Fallon said:
  

  Karma will have its say in the end, we reap what we sow, their are literally millions just like Andy ” who ever he is” who walk the path to greed and avirice,not knowing that natural justice lies in wait.
  Thank god their are billions of us honest folk who also walk the true path to dilute them.

  Cheers Mick Fallon

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• Marilyn said:
  

  Let’s not forget Paypals part in this. Even if you provide them with proof of a scam or illegal activity they hide behind their policy. I hesitate to use them because they offer us no protection against the scammers.

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• Gary Simpson said:
  

  WOW! Yesterday there were lots of comments here - about 60-odd but now there are over 200. That’s a strong reaction.

  Naturally, and rightly so, most people are completely outraged by this “Andrew (Andy) Tudor” character but… let’s step back for a moment and analyze all this…

  WHY do you think he is doing it? Why not just take the ill-gotten fraud money and slink away looking for more victims?

  Why do you think he has gone to the trouble of writing to Paul Counts (and presumably other people - eg Socrates - see his comment on this) such a long and detailed “explanation” of his so-called circumstances? Why the boastfulness?

  I’ll tell you what I think…

  He is a baiter (well some would say a master-baiter… a small joke. Sorry). This is how he gets his jollies. He is challenging the recipients of these comments. He’s committed a crime and he’s rubbing everyone’s faces in it.

  He believes he is “smarter” than his victims and he is basking in the anger and frustration that he has caused them. It makes him feel superior. Like… “what on EARTH can you do about it?”

  I’d even be so bold to say that he is getting an amazing amount of satisfaction by reading all the outrage this has caused here and elsewhere. [Hello “Andy”]

  His need is not for money - as he says - that is just the icing on the cake for him. That’s the excuse. The real driver IMO is the thrill of beating somebody and getting away with it. That’s what motivates him. He’s an egomaniac. His thrill is in the hunt and then the pre-meditated attack on unsuspecting and trusting victims. In some respects he is like a serial rapist. It’s not about the sex. It’s about the power.

  And he gets extra satisfaction by sending megalomaniac taunts like the one above. Here’s an insight into his phobia (from his own mind):

  “…Paul that this doesn’t mean you should go thinking you are better than myself for example…”

  See? That is the REAL driver. Power over others. It’s the undercurrent to why he does this. He just thinks he is superior and, in his own mind, he needs to reinforce that. Hence the taunts.

  There’s are lots of other hints in his comments above too - such as the false regret. It’s very smarmy - designed to ramp up the outrage. (See also the taunts to Socrates - it’s all about “I’m smarter than you.”)

  “… it’s just to celebrate your failure, the sweet and smokey taste of success..”

  I mean, why bother contacting the victim and gloating like that? He’s already gotten away with the crime - or so he thinks. He NEEDS that extra ingratiation. It gives him such a buzz. He craves that feeling of power over people.

  Andy, why don’t you make a comment about what I said. You know you want to. You’re not afraid to show yourself here are you? Just use a throw away email addy. Send it from an Internet cafe. You’re pretty clever (We can tell that but… you really need to brush up on your grammar. It’s a little shoddy in places. Too many mixed and rambling sentences.)

  C’mon… humor us.

  Gary Simpson
  TEMPLE

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• Ron Schmidli said:
  

  I’m sorry to hear you got ripped off for so much money. I’m sure you have legal recourse IF you ever find the real person. You’re not alone though, last yesr I tried to purchase the software “Unlimited Capture Pages”, as I believe its the program that made marketers like Brian Bear very wealthy in a short time frame. I found the site, ordered via PayPal, but never got a download link or any feed back. I filed a complaint with Paypal which was useless. This past fall I saw it advertised again, the website looked fresher, so gave it a second try, thinking maybe I was tired and was the one that messed up the transaction, but I got the same experience, no product. This time I did not pursue it. I guess I’m just gulable in believing my fellow man. I have purchased many products from click Bank promising high traffic, filling your CB account account, yet to see ANY of them actually perform as advertised, or even close. That being said, I suggest we create a SCAM thread, possibly at WF so us marketers with integrity can share our SCAM experiences with each other.

  Ron Schmidli

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• Andrew Tudor said:
  

  [NOTE FROM ERIC: I do not know whether this is really Andy or not, but I think it probably is. I’ve edited a few words, to help keep my site family-friendly in the search engines]

  Hey guys it’s Andy, btw Paul got OWNED.

  I appreciate your kind comments, and I also find them quite funny although to be completely honest and I am sure many agree with me here, it’s in fact you Gary Simpson who looks like a serial rap- -t, just in my opinion of course.

  Karma, Illegal blah blah fu- -ing BULLS- -T, I do enjoy SCAMMING, why do I confess? Because it’s just too hilerious that idiots like Paul fall into these scams, IT WAS SO EASY!

  It’s not about power, it’s about how funny it is, I can have a laugh like this and make money in the process, you are the only fool nigg- -s who suffer.

  Tar Tars!

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  • Gary Simpson said:
    

    Well “Andy”

    Since you said:

    “… I am sure many agree with me here, it’s in fact you Gary Simpson who looks like a serial rap- -t, just in my opinion of course.”

    and your “opinion” is worth nothing then I’m not worried at all.

    I know what makes you tick mate, despite your denial and attempted diversion of the truth.

    I predicted that you were reading this thread and you just couldn’t help yourself, could you? LOL!

    I’d say you were the one who got “OWNED” - stupid term that it is.

    Thanks for exposing your dogma and narcissism to everyone.

    Don’t bother replying I’m not interested in anything more you have to say.

    Oh, one thing I will leave you with. It might help you change your ways…

    One day when you are standing at Heaven’s gate and you are denied entry you’ll realize your entire life has been a waste of time. Pity.

    Gary Simpson

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  • Ken Harthun said:
    

    Out of respect to Eric and his desire to keep his site family friendly, I won’t use the words I would otherwise use. However, because I have a good command of English, I am able to say what I think without offending anyone with vulgarity.

    Gary Simpson (who is a friend of mine, “Andy” and neither one of us are people you want to mess with) will appreciate this.

    Andy, when you finally end up at the crossbar hotel–and you will, believe me–you will find yourself in the position of being the female breeding dog who is catching the payload of a tattooed urban nubian street rat who is a guest because he loves to do bad things to weakling idiots.

    Don’t fight it, just enjoy it.

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  • Scam Buster said:
    

    Yeah, and one day you have to give account to God for your whole life. Everything will be exposed. Thoughts, words, deeds, the whole shooting match!

    You can ridicule as much as you want, for now. God will let you! But, you know what, just try silencing that conscience of yours (the best preacher in the world - one for every person)! Go on, just try it…! See..!

    What’s it saying right now? If you can’t quite hear, no problem, its all being recorded and you will get the chance to hear every word. One Day! Wonderful, isn’t it?

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• Kadhim Mohammed said:
  

  Hi dear Eric it nice from u to provide to your subscriber subjects like Scamming in the internet ,everyone has a possibility to be scammed these days and your friend Paul is the proof,this guy Andy, is smart psycho who has 2 different tricky speeches,so guys….. be careful

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• William said:
  

  Eric, thanks for sharing. If enough people get this message, perhaps they can put this worm out of business. It is so hard to know whom to trust anymore. It almost makes me want to work from within closed walls. I’ll make less money, but perhaps that will be the cost.

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• joseph n mascarenhas said:
  

  I’ve been scammed from here to eternity by some IMarketers that claimed that every thing they offered was so easy a 2 year old could make money doing their stuff!

  I am still interested in IM but you have been the shining star teaching me and others like me IM stuff for free and also warning us not to BUY stuff until we can hold it on our own through your “EricsTips!”

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• mdarff@gmail.com said:
  

  Dear Eric,
  We suggest you spread this new more openly so as to help many Online biz from being scammed.
  These scammers’ they are smart people doing funelling innocent people money unto their wallet.
  We need to protect innocent people from being trapping by the real scammers, thus collecting allots of money from their sincerity clients.

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• Chad Carlton said:
  

  WOW! I haven’t even started building a list yet and now this is concerning! I was looking at buying spots on list but now, who should I trust?

  Do you have any recommendations, or better yet… Start a safe and closely monitored system?

  Chad!;-)

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  • Eric said:
    

    Lessons #59 - 70 here on my site cover list building in depth.

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• stargaterich said:
  

  I am lucky in the sense that I have never been scammed the way some people got themselves into with disgusted cyber criminals such as ‘Andy’. It is quite alarming that this guy knows the rules of the game and is able to leverage on loopholes so much so that he is able to walk free with any disputes via PayPal. This is really a cause of concern. Someone need to put a stop to this scammer period.

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  • Kathleen said:
    

    Yes Stargaterich,

    Andy,is a sad being with no life and may think he knows the rules of the game but one thing he does not know or understand are the laws of the universe!!
    Like i said earlier- KARMA!
    Also, in answer to you Andy ( if that is who you really are, didn’t your poor mother ever teach you that there is no fun in having all the toys if no-one will play with you, because when you may think you have it all - you will not not have what really matters and, that is family, friend and respect and no-one will be there for you,when your really in need or trouble!!
    Well ANDY, you are just a sad wannabe who ain’t and never will be, but you are a loser,just like the schoolyard bully who meeds to be dealt with and the universal laws will most cerrtainly do that .
    You won.t be able to cheat that, and you most certainly won’t be laughing, you sad being!!!

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• Pitch said:
  

  Thank you for sharing this.

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• AD said:
  

  I would bludgeon this guy to death if I ever met him in person. Just glad that Paul was able to get a refund through his CC company.

  Really wish this guy was put behind bars. I know cause I was scammed of a substantial sum of money too and there too the scammer himself escalated the dispute and won it in his favour within seconds (automatically as per paypal policy)…

  PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE take this issue forward…

  Contact paypal about the issue - file charges against this guy and put him behind bars. Anybody who has a paypal account is completely ‘trackable’. Let’s at least put him on the run.

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• Ellie said:
  

  I think this scammer had some nerve to talk to
  the people he scammed that way. I have been
  scammed also. I take it personally and in some way violatesyou .Because you do not feel safe.And he is in your space and like many who
  hurt you your afraid of him coming back

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• Stuart - NetActivated.com said:
  

  the sad thing is that it’s sometimes easier to
  make money scamming, than it is to make it
  legitimately.

  the problem (aside from the moral & legal
  issues) is that there’s no longevity to an
  income derived from running cons.

  no matter what you do, no matter how ‘careful’
  you are - sooner or later it catches up with
  you.

  are you in this, or any biz, for the long haul?
  if so, learn your business inside & out, what
  makes it tick, what moves & motivates the people
  you serve, and deal with ever aspect of it the
  same way you’d like to be dealt with.

  do all of that, and sooner or later you will
  succeed.

  and if you’re trying to get started - in
  whatever it is that you want to do - realize
  that there are sharks out there, online &
  offline, that don’t give a hoot about you and
  are only after one thing - your money - no
  matter HOW nice, interested and concerned they
  appear to be.

  the answer?

  no matter what size the investment or purchase,
  take the time to check the seller out - and NO,
  i don’t mean by reading those cheesy BS
  tesimonials you see on a LOT of sales pages.

  those testimonials are only as good as the
  reputation of the person who posted them…

  and by the way - to any of you who are new to
  this biz, just in case you didn’t know, you
  can’t find many marketers in this biz of the
  quality of both eric and paul.

  my 2 cents…

  stuart halpryn
  NetActivated.com/CC

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  • Eric said:
    

    Thanks for your kind words Stuart. I received your greetings at JV Alert Orlando thru a messenger, thank you.

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    • Stuart - NetActivated.com said:
      

      hey eric,
      not ‘kind words’ at all, just a simple
      statement of fact.

      you know that i’ve spent the last 6 years
      ranting & raving about the sad state of affairs
      in this industry, and you are on a very short
      list of marketers that i can honestly say would
      never compromise their integrity for $$$…

      as for JV Alert, would have said ‘hi’ myself,
      but recently had some minor heart surgery (for a
      major problem) that i’m still trying recover
      from (i swear - the meds make me feel worse than
      the original problems did!) kept me from going.

      anyway, PM me your email address (so i don’t
      have to wade thru eons of emails to find it)
      when you have time, and we’ll touch base.

      BTW - i’ve been following your travels &
      missions with great interest. keep up the good
      work.

      regards,
      stuart

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      • Eric said:
        

        I pray you have a good recovery from the surgery, and I’ll send you an email!

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• James said:
  

  I love that the WF deleted Desmond Ong’s thread that linked your article. It seems that they don’t take warning other warriors very seriously sometimes, which really disturbs me.

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  • maswid said:
    

    Hi James. I don’t understand why would you love WF for deleting Desmond Ong’s thread that linked Eric’s article? Shouldn’t WF also do a service to its members on the potential loss inflicted by “Andy and his gangs”? Btw, I just upgraded my membership with WF to its War Room status [my apology if I misuderstand you]

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    • Eric said:
      

      I think James was being sarcastic. I did not see the thread personally, and I don’t know why it was deleted. But as a general rule, WF likes to keep the discussion in the forum, rather than simply linking elsewhere (like to my blog) to get the content and discussion. I can certainly understand that policy, but in this case it seems like maybe they should have allowed it. After all, I’m not here bashing the WF.

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      • RevuGuy said:
        

        When ever you here about something like this, the first reaction for most is to warn others, just as Eric & Desmond both have done.
        If you google “New Scammers Trying to Scam Internet Marketers”,
        and click on the Cached link to the Warrior Forum post you can plainly see that there was absolutely NO reason whatsoever to delete his post other than to protect the interests of those who make their living there. It had NOTHING to do do with the link to the article here. I say this because I have seen the same exact scenario played out over & over again when I have searched the WF for honest reviews of a product only to find a deleted thread in Google’s cache where someone is trying to warn others about a scam or worthless product. I just finished searching WF in Google & there is not ONE single result except for that deleted thread.
        This is one reason why fraud is so prevalent there. MANY times someone who tries to warn others at the forum like Eric & Desmond did are banned permanently.

        This is the deleted thread:

        Desmond Ong

        New Scammers Trying to Scam Internet Marketers

        Hello everyone,

        I don’t read a lot of blog post but my friend Eric just wrote a blog post about something that is very alarming.

        Basically there are some scammers out there who scam internet marketers by telling them that they have a huge list and want to adswap or sell them solo ads.

        Here’s the full blog post about it:

        Confessions of an Internet Marketing Scammer | Eric’s Tips

        I am by no means associate of this blog post and the only reason I am putting this link here is to let the community know about this.

        If moderator feels like this post should be removed, I suggest you make a new thread and alarm other Warriors about this because this scam occurs IN this forum itself as mentioned in the blog post.

        Personally, I’ve talked to a few of these scammers and thank God I am smart enough to not pay them anything upfront as I’m always the “I pay you 20%, you do it, I pay the rest guy”.

        Cheers,
        Desmond

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• Learn Spanish said:
  

  I stand aghast at the number of comments on this subject. It confirms my suspicion that most people are scammed by so called Gurus. I have been working 10-12 hours a day, 7 days a week for 15 months, spent 000’s $ and sold ——– wait for it ———— $300

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• Los Angeles SEO said:
  

  I’m by instinct suspicious. So much that I’m questioning the validity of this whole post. Why would a scammer send a long letter explaining what he is doing? It doesn’t make sense.
  I have a feeling that we will soon see a something sent out my Eric or Paul to “help” us understand better.
  I don’t mean to offend anyone, but 99% of all this kind of communication carries the intention to get the recipient of the communication to purchase something.

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  • Eric said:
    

    Nothing wrong with being skeptical… I would be too.

    As a matter of fact, I will soon be launching a new product with Paul and another guy named Jeff. And YES… this scam theme fits in perfectly with it.

    But it was certainly not planned. This scam just occured days ago, and our product has been in the works for months. Beyond that, there are many other victims of the scammer who have publicly posted on the warrior forum. So that’s proof that we’re not making it up.

    Why did the scammer write those emails? I can theorize, but I don’t know. That’s what made this situation exceptional and worthy of a blog post.

    Am I an opportunist? Absolutely. I knew that this post would be a good lead-in for our new product.

    Did I write the post with the INTENTION of getting you to buy something? No. I have a much longer term strategy than that. My goal for this site (and has been for years) is to provide good, helpful content for free.

    I do this because I really want to provide helpful content. The end result is that my readers do trust me and do buy things from me. I call that a win-win business model.

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• peter said:
  

  Many thanks Eric for this blog. I will be keeping my eyes open for updates in the “ANDY SAGA” and other scammers that can be named.
  Kindest regards,
  Peter.
  PS All my filed copies of ERIC’S TIPS are next to my computer station.

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• Mark said:
  

  Eric,

  thanks for sharing this information. I hope it will prevent other people from falling for this scam.

  I also hope it will slow down the adswap frenzy that’s taken over the IM arena…

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• Kara said:
  

  With everything going on in the world (yeah - I think globally - as well as locally)…

  I’m saddened by ALL OF THIS…
  So sad.

  This guy needs a wake up call.

  I can’t imagine how he’d be in the middle of earthquake/tsunami Japan - no food, no warmth, no creature comforts, or in the middle of a town in Libya where he or his most beloved was severely injured.

  This is what it takes to “break” these types of narcissistic, self-indulgent, “above the law,” misguided personalities.

  I doubt he’d be pulling his own special kind of “racket” in a scenario like the ones above.

  And if he did try - it wouldn’t be tolerated for long by the rest of the group.

  I realize internet marketing is so akin to the wild, wild west - it’s not even funny. Yet tolerance, in the world in general, is growing very thin for these types of people.

  For me personally - the line has been drawn in the sand, and there’s no tolerance left.

  Thanks for reporting this - and if ALL marketers who know of these types of scammers (or the one person with 7,000 pseudo - identities) and exposed them publicly - then we would be looking out not only for each other and also for the integrity of the internet marketing community at large.

  May the sands of Justice fall on the just and the unjust, expediently, nevertheless.

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• Jack said:
  

  At least this is one “honest” responsive scammer. Most scammers cut off all communication with you after running away with your money.

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• Elizabeth said:
  

  Having read all these posts, some comments have a very common thread running through them.
  We all know there is no real protection against these criminals on the internet.
  There are however some things you can do for yourself.
  1) Re: Paypal….Do NOT use them to buy products, but, only to receive your payment transactions.
  2) Re: Buying….Use only your credit card that has a very strong Anti-Spam Policy..I use American Express…”S*** hits the fan” with them!.
  3) Re: Emails with the inevitable “push this button for $37, $27 etc BS, from your so-called marketing ‘mentors’. Don’t just Unsubscribe, use your Reply Box..Ask them to remove you from their ‘BS list’, their ’sell to a sucker list’ & don’t forget to ask for an explanation! This works for me, as I believe the Marketers affiliating themselves with the product..should know what they are promoting!
  4) Get hold of the IP adress from the email, complain LOUDLY to their hosting company.
  5) Report the Spam to the authorities.
  6) Write an Article to Ezine, etc.. about your experiences, especially with Clickbank, Paypal, WF..etc..(you never know..we might achieve a louder voice…) 1 person will not be heard, more voices mean the noise is louder!
  7) Go onto forums and spread the word! 1 person alone will not change the policies in these big companies, I know, BUT, at least You can do something about looking after Yourself.

  I am sorry that Paul is obviously saddened and more than a little bitter about this experience, I also believe that many are extremely suspicious of Adswaps and the like..and so you should be, ask the seller for contacts of his/her previous JV partners as recommendations & follow them up! You could also casually mention that you are a newbie just starting out in IM after retiring from “a well known investigative authority”…
  I use this tactic..it works for me!…Out of 4 different attempts to scam me..only 1 marketer, actually wrote back and complied with all my rquests..he was entirely legitimate!.(he was not afraid to comply)…By the way..I am still waiting for the replies from the other 3..It’s been some months now…and still nothing!..Maybe they are busy? or, did I scam them?
  Decide for yourself…Take Care & Be Aware!

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  • Eric said:
    

    Regarding #1- I don’t think it is a reason to not use PayPal for buying products. If you want the extra layer of protection, then use your Credit Card thru PayPal.

    Also, keep in mind that the PayPal problems related to this scam are due to the “virtual goods” distinction. For physical goods, PayPal gives good protection.

    I recently bought a gold coin on ebay that turned out to be fake. The seller balked at my claim, but PayPal/Ebay gave my money back under their buyer protection program.

    Also PayPal is often more secure than paying with your credit card directly on a merchant’s site. Those merchants may be storing your credit card number on their server, and they might not have adequate security, but PayPal is in the security business.

    So I would not avoid paying with PayPal, but rather avoid buying digital products from questionable vendors, and if you do– use your credit card via PayPal.

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• Kevin Lam said:
  

  Da-damn! What more can one say? I had an incident similar to this, but not to that degree. I simply called PayPal, disputed it, they gave me an instant 50% refund just because and then they proceeded to freeze his account.

  I then went on to shut down ALL of his websites, his hosting, his forum memberships and all other memberships. I basically wiped him out.

  I would hate to be the person that screws with me again. Btw, the guy was in Egypt. That didn’t save him. I tracked down his phone number and home address. Couldn’t get away with nothing.

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• daryl said:
  

  O.K I confess, I have read all the post’s but I’ve seen enough, and things should/will change.

  I also like everyone here, and have been scammed by some bif time Guru’s. We should all get to gether and start to NAME AND SHAME thease people so no body esle gets hurt.

  I understand that some of them even change thier names so what do we do !!!. It feels like I don’t trust anybody online at all any more, sorry to the none scammers no malice intented, but things need to change and change fast.

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• George said:
  

  Interesting post. This sort of things have been happening in IM, i bet everyone have their own stories like this. I once was a victim of this scam thing with a hosting company-thank God i paid less than $4 for the monthly fee they took without providing me any authentic login to my cpanel. Beware guys!

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• Stanley said:
  

  Hi Paul,

  Thanks for the eye opening information on internet marketing scammers. Well done Paul!

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• John said:
  

  I have never trusted screen shots showing stats. They are too easy to manipulate. Thanks for the article Eric.

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• Robin Lee said:
  

  Eric & Paul,
  Thank you for shedding light upon this subject and making it the IM worlds topic of conversation. Unscrupulous marketers just make it that much harder for the rest of us.
  Appreciate the article.
  Robin

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• William said:
  

  Wow… man that’s some pretty heavy stuff. Who would have thought… It’s just hard to understand what makes folks like that tick????

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• judy said:
  

  When I first read this, it actually depressed me for a few days. I didn’t realize how deep the sound and the voice or the spirit behind the scam was. Almost like satan himself, no fear, no remorse, and so flaunting. I was sad. Sad for the parts of our society that does this everyday to innocent trusting victims, whether internet marketing, or just everyday life. I was sad for the internet marketing world because for so long I have worked at this…still not successful and for a brief moment wondered what I had gotten into..or believed in for about 2 years. Ok, Im over it. My heart and my prayers go out the victims, but to the evil sad voice behind Andy…and the other scammers who don’t know how deep they are in it.

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• Tracey said:
  

  Eric,
  Thanks for posting this. I haven’t done ad swaps with anyone on the WF, but I have gotten a lot of great information there, as well as purchased some great services and products. It is good for me to know that I have to keep my guard up — even on the Warrior Forum.

  Thank you for all the information you provide to your readers.

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• Bishop Anders said:
  

  While I agree that ad swaps are very risky to get involved with, it also seems that your write up is staged. (no offense intended)

  For those who instantly became enraged that I would speak to Eric in such a crass way, relax! I know Eric on a personal level and this isn’t an attack against him - Eric is one of the brightest, most powerful, and above all else most honest marketers I have ever met online or off and I respect him without limit on a professional level, and just plain think he’s one of the good guys on the personal side of things.

  The first thing that came to mind as i read your post was probably just like everyone else’s… “%^$%$ scumbag scammers!”…. but then…

  The second thing that came to mind was that this post would be a very powerful lead in into some type of informational product.

  1- The persons scammed were/are seasoned marketers… and now they are “experts” on being scammed.

  2- Write an ebook teaching people how to not get scammed for only $27!

  I’m probably getting to cynical for this business… But it just looks like the potential for setting the stage for an upcoming info-product release.

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  • Eric said:
    

    Good observation.

    Opportune timing, yes. Staged, no.

    I’ve had a product launch in the works with Paul Counts and Jeff Wellman for months, and this was never a part of our plans.

    When Paul told me the other day about his experience getting scammed I said, hey let’s get the word out and share this on my blog.

    It IS opportune because it does serve the purpose of introducing my readers to Paul, and also sets us up to be the “good guys”.

    Like I told Paul– when life gives you lemons, make lemonade.

    BTW I have a free lesson teaching how not to get scammed, it’s one of the first lessons in my lesson series. Our product is not related to scams, but the anti-scammer platform is good positioning for our product.

    The motive of the article is to help people, not to get into their wallets.

    The article achieves it’s main objective, which is educating people about this scam, and we reap a secondary benefit of building trust with my readers.

    It’s the same as what I teach. Provide good quality content that truly helps people, and you will build trust. That should be one of the objectives of all marketer/bloggers.

    Since you have known me a long time, you will know that I’m always providing good content, and I’m always launching new products. That’s part of my business model, and it fits together nicely.

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    • Richard Mortimer said:
      

      Hey Eric, I’d love to help you, if you launch a product on ‘Not Being Scammed.’

      I’ve got quite a few experiences:
      PHP Andy - thousands for coding he never finished
      Raygoza - thousands impersonating Chris Cobb (I got all that back through my credit card).
      People making approaches for adswaps and not fulfilling their side of things.

      Thanks,

      Richard

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  • Alek said:
    

    Eric, thank you for posting the story - to be aware means be protected. I loved your latest update: people should be punished for their devious behavior, especially in such impudent way.

    Alek

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• Paul McDonald said:
  

  Eric…Thank you so much for your attention to this, and also showing that you truly are a GOOD friend. I know Paul Counts is a fellow Christian, and as far as I’m concerned is above reproach when it comes to business dealings. I haven’t had the pleasure of meeting him. I have dealt with Socrates, and again, is a good, and very personable man.
  It makes me ILL that this goes on, an as many people have said…gives us all a bad name.
  Gary…loved your posts! Poetry in motion:)
  Thanks again Eric!

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• Lynda Tracey said:
  

  Wow i cant believe that and sat reading it with a knot in my stomach.It makes me feel glad that i struggle so much that i couldnt afford to pay for anything so havent be ripped off yet.I am now more frightened than ever to continue with this job and it makes me so much less trusting of people.I just hope i can learn enough to avoid this sort of thing happenening to me .Thanks for writing all this down for us all to see and hopefully avoid .

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• Mike Newton said:
  

  Thanks for the share Eric…

  If nothing else, the more that we can help to make others aware, then that is a few less victims that will get burned.

  Although they will laugh when they read this too, sooner or later, it will come back to bite the scam artists on the ass and doing what they do, only goes to prove that they never had what it takes to be truly successful in the first place…

  Mike

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• James said:
  

  Gary Simpson
  TEMPLE..said…

  He’s already gotten away with the crime - or so he thinks. He NEEDS that extra ingratiation. It gives him such a buzz. He craves that feeling of power over people.

  Wait till he feels the power of a set of handcuffs,, they quickly let a person know who is in charge!

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• |Edith said:
  

  thanks Paul

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• Pete Chapman said:
  

  Hi Eric, That is quite an eye-opening post, and has really brought home a very important lesson for all of us whether newbies or established and experienced internet marketers.

  Scammers like this are guilty of fraud and as such should be tracked down and locked up for a long time…unfortunately that will prove difficult until we have better safeguards in place which will require advertisers on forums like the warrior forum to verify their identity and place of residence before being allowed to advertise.

  I am shocked paypal sided with the scammer!, surely the emails the scammer sent would prove the case against him to paypal?.

  Thank you again for this informative and very important post…
  Pete Chapman

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• David said:
  

  Hi Eric,
  It is good to see that the good guy comes out on top. I like the old rule if it looks to good to be true RUN like H***.
  I have been using your tips to help me get started on the internet.

  Thanks
  David

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• Davin Ogden said:
  

  Wow, very interesting indeed Eric. It’s interesting this same guy was just trying to “dupe” me over the course of the last week and a half or so.

  I’m a JV Relations Co-ordinator, and we’ve exchanged emails on a few occasions, if you recall. Just recently actually..

  Anyways, thankfully I trusted my gut instinct on this guy and didn’t line anything up with him. Some of what he was saying just wasn’t adding up to me..although he was quick to show me screenshots and all the rest of it.

  Thanx for revealing this scumbag for what he is..glad I trusted my gut on it:-)

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• Tim Gorman said:
  

  I was also almost scammed by Andy as I had inquired about his offer to send a solo ad to his list.

  Fortunately my spider sense started tingling and something did not feel right in my Warrior Forum PM exchanges with him. Also the fact that he had a low post count and that I had never heard of him yet he had a “Huge list of 35K” sent up red flags.

  My assumptions were proven correct when I received a warning from another Warrior Forum member which I am very thankful in receiving.

  I hate scumbags like this and having purchased products from Paul in ther past I know what a stand-up guy he is and feel bad for him.

  Unfortunately losers like Andy are like a Hydra….every time you chop its head off two more grow back in its place.

  Respectfully,
  Tim

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• rob said:
  

  I must be really naive because I can’t even believe someone would do that. Is he for real? I was just about to consider doing some ad swaps with my 2 small lists - about 400 in total. I will be proceeding carefully now.

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• Alessandro Zamboni said:
  

  This is one thing I always do : never buy things from mistery people.
  If you don’t know him personally, don’t buy anything from him, especially this high price tag services.

  There is some people able to do a free list exchange with you, me included.

  Thanks and see you soon,
  Alessandro

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• Dave Lianelli said:
  

  Eric,

  there’s another name I suspect to be a part of this whole scamming story. I received the following emails from a guy named PabloVTB.

  ——————————-

  Hi d,
  You’ve probably heard about these big launches lately that are promoting get rich quick schemes and software. I’m talking about Clickbank products such as: Commission Crusher, Free Money Formula, or Get FB Ads Free.

  It’s easy to fall into these traps, and I’m begging you NOT to buy these crappy products, and here’s WHY:

  Let’s dissect what these products REALLY are about, shall we?

  1. Commission Crusher promises you a PUSH BUTTON SOFTWARE that brings loads and loads of traffic overnight without any effort from your part, without any website, ppc, google, media buys, ppv, you name it.

  What is it really about?

  Commission Crusher is actually not a software, but a WEBSITE.

  Yeah, you’ve read that one right. This misleading product is a simple Quantcast or DoubleClick scraper that tells you what websites accept ads based on 1 word keyword phrases, so you can SPEND YOUR MONEY and BUY MEDIA PLACEMENTS to insert affiliate links.

  Heh? Didn’t you say no media buys were involved? WRONG

  Save your money and access the web site right here:

  Basic Version
  (link removed)
  Pro Version
  (link removed)

  2. Free Money Formula
  Similar landing page, similar “limited to 500″, “underground secret software” offer.

  What is this one REALLY about?

  Phillip Mansour tells you to buy a domain name, and redirect it to some offer of your choice. The software is actually an ARTICLE SPINNER and ARTICLE SUBMITTER, so you will be spamming your articles all over the net to produce some traffic.
  Is this a big secret software noone knew about? Please.

  Look at some extracts of one of the emails he is sending to his JV partners:
  “Hey,
  I’d like to Thank You once again for all the support on this launch! 1st person to hit 100 sales from Friday to Sunday ….. Grabs $3,000 pure cash which is extra $30 a sale. 1st person to hit 50 sales from Friday to Sunday … Grabs $1,000 pure cash which is extra $20 a sale. 1st person who can hit 200 sales this weekend is going to get an extra $4,000 CASH MONEY on top of all the other prizes.
  Yes.. The same person can win all 8k cash!
  LET’S PUSH HARD THIS WEEKEND.
  You take care of me, I will take care of you x10.”
  …….

  That’s all I have to say about his “500 max. claim”

  Save your money:
  (link removed)

  3. Get FB Ads Free
  This guy pretends to have found a loophole in Facebook in order display Facebook Ads for Free, he even shows you some numbers and “Budgets”.

  What is this REALLY about?

  Get FB Ads Free seems to be a software to create “professional looking” fan pages. YEAH! That’s for the loophole I guess. I don’t know about you, but I don’t need a software to create a professional looking fan pages, and scripts like LikeSpinner are more than enough.

  Again, all these softwares offer upsells, crosssells, and downsells, so it’s not really about the front end product, but you have to buy what’s next!

  d, I don’t know about you but I show no respect for people that mess up with me, and I don’t care sharing their “big secrets” with you.

  Just do me a favour and don’t fall for these traps no more.

  Go and invest in something that actually works,
  and get back to work.

  Talk soon,
  Pablo
  ———————–

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• Mike G. said:
  

  The guy is a crook, plain and simple… and an arrogant piece of $#!% at that. Just reading his email responses had my blood boiling. Guys like that need to be slapped around a little and shown some consequences of their actions.

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• malcolm wright said:
  

  Thanks Eric for sharing this with us.I pray that those who have been taken advantage of by way scam etc received just rewards. God Bless each of you.

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• Bob said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  I read the post as well as replies a couple of times and have given the matter much thought before replying. My reply will be long due to the amount of thought and my own experiences/conditions.

  The scammer is wrong, what ever his real name might be. His attitude is arrogant and without a doubt he needs to be brought to justice. That he is preying on those most in need makes the crime worse. I am here because I trust ‘Eric’ to give me good information and materials, I suspect that many of the scammer’s customers trusted him – only to have him fail.

  Back in the 1970’s I was frequently approached by people I barely knew through business or social contacts because they had discovered that I had no criminal record. I might be asked: Did I want to make some easy money? Did I want to get somewhere in the world? Be important? Then the offer which was usually either 1 pick up a van at Miami International Airport and ‘just’ drive it to Atlanta or another city to the north for several thousand dollars – or make a flight down to a South American country and then back, all expenses paid and plenty of profit. Despite the fact that it was difficult making ends meet with a new family, I always refused. We needed the money but I had friends who had ruined their lives with drugs. I had children and was concerned that they might one day they might become involved with drugs. The Bible speaks strongly about those who would harm little children.

  Despite the need I refused the kind offers and tried to avoid the people involved.

  Fast forward to 2011 where I have lost one home due to a judge that could not discern truth from lie. (I had thought that going to court might result in justice, silly me. It is more a game to see who can twist the facts enough to win. The lesson is to avoid court). Where now, in my 50’s I live with my mom and am faced with seeing my mother close to the loss of her home – partly due to unscrupulous lending practices and banker’s greed. I figure another two to three months will tell. The amount is not all that great, under 10K. One thing we have learned – AVOID REVERSE MORTGAGES.

  I read the information about the scammer with interest, looked at my own conscience and decided that I could not do such a thing. My Christian beliefs aside I don’t think I could lie and deceive and prey on people who may be in just as dire straights as I am. (Nor could I do it to someone who was well off, they earned their money). It is just simply wrong not to give someone what they pay for, and wrong to inflate the value or potential of what you offer.

  I feel fortunate to have found Eric’s Tips and continue to study and try. Still without enough success but I am learning. Through Eric’s advice I have started a hosting company, acquired some resale items and have a sales page that I am developing. I don’t know if I’ll be able to generate the small amount I need to keep my mom from being homeless ($1,500 a month would do it). I don’t expect to see millions rolling in every week but I do keep trying. Help (mentoring or a swift kick to get me over the ‘hump’) would be welcomed as I tend to get caught up on details and this causes delays. There is no money to spend so don’t send me offers for great deals at 70% off, I don’t have the 30%.

  I will continue to walk the honest path though. I might end up homeless or dead - but I will be able to look my children (now grown) in the eye ’til whatever end, and say that I never cheated others or traded on their desperation.

  BG
  management@green-gator.com

  “Do your duty in all things. You cannot do more, you should never wish to do less” ~ R. E. Lee

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  • Arindam Chakraborty said:
    

    Hi Bob,

    It was heartening to read your comment. As cliched as it might sound, I would say that “we NEED more people like you”.
    I have blogged about the scam on my blog, in the hope that it reaches more people.

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• Gary Simpson said:
  

  Eric,

  Regarding:

  “(UPDATE: Added 03/21/11, 2:40PM)

  Just a quick update to let everyone know that Mike Filsaime has contacted his rep at PayPal to notify them about the scammer, and PayPal has confirmed that their risk department is taking care of the scammer’s accounts. Thanks Mike. The guys at AWeber have also been notified, and I was told that their security department is handling it as well.”

  It would be nice to let everybody here know what the outcome of this investigation is.

  For a person to access the money in their Paypal account they need to nominate the funds to be applied to a bank account. Banks these days have very strict ID rules.

  Therefore Paypal could nominate to an authority investigating this matter the name and number of that account. The bank, in turn, would have a name and address.

  Hopefully this person will soon be introduced to people like, hmm… “Bubba” at the establishment that Ken Harthun (above) calls the “Crossbar Hotel.”

  There are many ways to conduct forensic investigations across the internet. Every action leaves a “footprint.” Just ask Ken. If he had the time or inclination he could probably do it himself. he has freakish geekish abilities.

  Gary Simpson
  TEMPLE

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• iain said:
  

  hello, I’ll be brief. I just wanted to say that as the previous author said, I like and trust Eric. i’m grateful for his generous sharing of information and am pleased he has tipped us off about the real ongoing dangers of the dark side of the internet marketing. thanks Eric.

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• Bruce said:
  

  What an unbelieveable story!
  And the arrogance of the man?Woman?
  I don’t place too much reliance on the Fates, but I do hope that the saying “The mills of God grind slow but grind exceeding sure” prevails here.

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• Scott said:
  

  Hey Erik Its been a real long time since I have been here. But I ma back to checking in with those i have learned from. Sad but I have been taken more than once online and it going on more and I think. How unfortunate.

  Its hard to know which way to go sometimes but i guess the best thing is to truly do your home work as much as humanly possible. Sometimes that isn’t even enough. Scott

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• Shh said:
  

  Hi and thanks for the insights,
  I have been learning and trying to be an internet marketer, though I am very clear right from the beginning what my values are as well as Karma follows this latter is very real hence before I would initiate any action on my part I want to present good ethics , give out to the universe all the very best as it will come back ten-fold.
  I have bought many such systems that would have had squeeze pages, i.e. get it now.. last 7 copies ….. once the doors are shut …. you will be left out… I have fallen for all kinds of tricks and have incurred unnecessary debt for which I am still paying on behalf of my bad judgement;(
  In my early days just under 2 years ago I was a real newbie…. now I don’t need a Guru as I do not believe in this term ‘ guru ‘ In India you can find gurus dime a dozen… well on the IM is no different only there is so much GREED that every Tom Dick and Harry wants to show me an Exotic car and or a Beach with Palm Trees and Oceanic waves that I could enjoy and work less than 4 hours a week etc.
  I am presently learning more through my local library system as there is so much that I can learn … our libraries are basically having all types of Internet Marketing tools, including one such course that I came across that shows html, xhtml ,link, dreamweaver,wordpress by ‘Professor Teaches I have now more knowledge and insights than any course that the guru’s on the IM is selling for over $3K.
  I have been left in the dark by my own fault as in opting in to many marketers freebies or some type then finding out that they send special offers on a daily basis clickbank offers, webinars… they learn something new and attach these messages with the auto-responders and I was gullible and first but soon realized that these auto-responders are basically written as sales copies with excellent writer skills boy have I fallen flat on my face… I have since moved away from being a VICTIM.

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• Sergio Felix said:
  

  I got pissed just by reading this, I seriously can’t imagine what Paul or Socrates could have felt when they were reading this SOB replies. What a complete piece of s***.

  On the other hand, thank you a LOT for posting this Eric, being an IT guy I feel somewhat naive as I would have never guessed that people would actually go through all that hassle (video framing and such) to mock something or all the programming this mofo does to fake things up.

  It really gets my nerve I still can’t believe it, this guy already knows (or at least that’s what it seems) how marketing works, why the hell scam people? He could make much more $$$ if he actually took all that driving force into something positive.

  There are some minds out there that I will never be able to understand *sigh*

  ~Sergio Felix

  PS. Cool thing that Socrates actually managed to get his money back.

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• Joann said:
  

  He’s trying to manipulate his victim. I’m so glad you warned us about this particular scammer.

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• kline said:
  

  How can he get away with it? I thought experienced marketers are not so easy to be scammed.

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• Lis Jakub said:
  

  Just in case you’re interested - here’s how I was scammed.

  http://www.squidoo.com/beware-this-is-a-scam-

  I know you, Eric, are a Christian person, but making that known can also be a trap. It makes you more trustworthy - as it should. Still, the people who scammed me - and ultimately not only cost me over $ 15,000.00 but also my health - were/are Mormons. I’m not Mormon, but I believed that they and I had enough in common for me to trust them, a trust badly misplaced and totally undeserved.

  Anyway, for what it’s worth, here’s my experience. I also have individual names. I did not include them, because I feel for these people’s children.

  Lis

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• Donna said:
  

  Isn’t there any way they can track him through his IP address? Seems the FBI or other law enforcement can track down anyone when they really want to. Maybe I’m mistaken.

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  • Richard Mortimer said:
    

    Interesting! We have a government office near us (in the UK) where they can track ANY mobile and ANY email. Yours, mine, everyone’s - if they want to!

    Of course, they are not interested in the likes of us, but the likes of Andy? Better watch out…!

    Thanks,

    Richard

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• Uncle Dimitry said:
  

  Hi Eric,

  in one of emails, “Andy” mentions my site (Safe-Swaps) as a secure way to buy/sell mailings.

  Here is a quote:
  “I do understand that theres a safe-swaps site if you want to find swaps more safely”

  Your readers will be interested to get protection they deserve and forget about scams… so let’s create a special discounted offer for your people.

  Best, Uncle Dimitry.

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  • Eric said:
    

    Cool, thanks for the offer. Sure just let me know what you have in mind.

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    • Uncle Dimitry said:
      

      fist of all I’ll give free account for you to be sure that it’s a highest quality service.

      Your folks will get good lifetime discount. In addition my team will hand coach them for free in order to quickly get started.

      Most importantly, they will get 19 levels of protection from scams.

      Of course you’ll get half out of everything your people purchase for their membership lifetime. Your landing page will be personalized with your name, photo, text, anything you need.

      Just email me or reply here.

      Best, Uncle Dimitry.

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      • Richard Mortimer said:
        

        Hey Uncle,

        Love that! I’ve been doing adswaps with Warriors, and its not been as good an experience as it should have been. At least I’ve had sign-ups.

        In the past, people have emailed me, and I got nothing from the swap.

        So, I’d be very interested in your safe-swaps. What can you do for me?

        Thanks,

        Richard

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• Eileen Harvey said:
  

  Wow this is unbelievable. I can not believe the gall of some people. All I can say is How big are they?

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• Eileen Harvey said:
  

  Actually I came here to say that I guess I will be missing out on the PLR Package, since I will not be getting any money till the 4th. And no I am not a scammer LOL

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• gerry said:
  

  Flagging up this scamming method is very useful.
  Helps some others from falling prey to the scam.

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• Haroun Kola said:
  

  What goes around, comes around!

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• Alberto said:
  

  Anytime you are looking for a SHORTCUT to achieve something of high importance for your business, something that normally requires hard work and time invested on your part, the probability of becoming a victim to a scammer increases. Especially if you entrust something that is crucial for your business to a person you know nothing about.

  Looking to benefit from what seems to be lucrative shortcuts and dealing with totally unknown persons via internet is looking for big troubles.

  If you want to build a list do it the hard way,
  all by yourself, or do it together with someone you already know much about.

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• Fran Watson said:
  

  Posted to my blog: http://fransmarketingtips.blogspot.com/

  Thanks Eric for the info and thanks to everyone else for their comments as well.

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• X said:
  

  A person’s religious beliefs should not be a part of this conversation. In fact, it’s a red flag to me when someone needs to start waving any religious flag to establish credibility. Jesus came down hard on hypocrites - people who claimed and showed publicly when the truth was something different in their heart.

  There are many scams that run through the Warrior Forum. You find some great people there and some great deals too. However the setup of the system discourages honesty when it comes to these type of scams. The best thing is to only do business with people well known in the community - and even then, people are fallible.

  These $300-$500 deals are the scammers sweet spot.

  As for one of the noted heroes in the story here, BS. He essentially scammed a business partner, put him in serious financial doo-doo and the guy can’t pay people (like myself) that he owes money too.

  If you want to share the truth Eric, dig deeper on the people you boost up.

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• Heather Buen said:
  

  WOW! This is interesting! I know nobody wants to hear about Church sermons I heard this weekend, but the one I heard applies here. Romans 5:3 - 4, suffering produces perseverance; perseverance, character; and character, hope. Character is created based upon not only actions but reactions to things. This Internet scammer uses “circumstances” but in no way suggests that conscience plays a part in building a good character. Maybe he wouldn’t be in his current circumstances if he didn’t try to scam people. Food for Thought?!?

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• Victoria Gates said:
  

  WOW that guy is sick.. what on earth makes people act this way.. I feel dirty using an automated article submitter some days lol

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• Jason Anderson said:
  

  Shocking but not surprising. Business can be hell. Luckily this is just hundreds of dollars not hundreds of thousands of dollars.

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• Kristoffer Nordquist said:
  

  Hello

  Thanks for writing about this as it can become a big problem and I hate to see things like this about scammer happening.

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• KC said:
  

  I am one of those, who’s been scammed by the Commission Crushers, and I mean I got taken to the cleaners, big time!! I’m not sure why but this little boy, who thinks he so damn grown but true, is selling me, this Product, and then the fees just kept on coming. I spent my Entire Month’s Check and now I’ve gotten it all back, but I’m over $ 100.00 in the hole, over OverDraft Fees. I’m so angry..After I signed up, I knew it was not good, as he started to talk about being in LAS VEGAS, in FEBRUARY!! It was just this month, too. OMG, I’m so angry, I’m so, so angry…Why do they allow him , to keep doing this? Why is it, he’s NOT been Banned? I knew I had been screwed over right away and I right away went to get my Refunds. Now speaking of “Refunds”, There’s another Marketer, who just plain WON’T give me back my money!! I’m owed $ 37.00 by Mack Michaels, or whoever he is this week, but I’m so dang mad, over this. he’s claiming to be rich, so why not pay me back, heck I never got the Software, either…I’m very angry over all this, in fact, I’m done, I do not wish to do this anymore, for I’m just too sick. I’m a Cancer patient, and I’m sicker than I have been in a long, long time, now. I hate what he’s done, and Mack too. I do not care if the both see this, and Oh yeah, I know your HACKING my Computer, Iser…….!!! OMG, what a fricken PUNK HE IS!! If we met, I’d beat his A$$. Thanks for allowing me, my say.

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• Patty said:
  

  Scammers are all over the internet. I am also a scam victim. Instead of going into my story, I wanted to share that the scammers, Raygoza, Stipes and Molina have a new site called salesmango.com. I know this because our attorney has been following all the scams that are being pulled by John Raygoza and his buddies. If any of your internet marketing partners, friends and readers are considering outsourcing any customer service management, please let them know not to sign up with salesmango as it is a scam.

  Patty Ledoux

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• Rich said:
  

  I feel sick reading about all these scammers. It’s enough to drive you to drink. It’s getting more and more rampant in the IM niche. I think it got worse the day John Reese did the million dollar day. I remember things changing for the worse afterwards.

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• Dave Cleinman said:
  

  This guy is such a scumbag! I suggest we track them down and feed them to the sharks! Even at my worst moments I never once considered scamming people!

  As for those who were ripped off, they must have contacts that can help them figure out who this scammer is and how to stop him and even bring him to justice.

  Great, albeit scary post, Eric! Thanks for the heads up!

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• azuma said:
  

  These scammers are there real, They’ve done it to me before,you pay for services which are not rendered. We just have to be careful. It is part of the experience.

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• John Paneerselvam said:
  

  Dear Bro.Eric.,

  Kudos to you for bringing to light the con-artist Andy Tudor’s atrocious & blatant scams. Jesus said: “The thief comes to steal/loot, plunder & destroy”. People like Andy represent the “thief” & they abound everywhere. And everyone should be careful lest the enemy who is lurking like a roaring lion devour us as the Bible says.

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• Jill Carpenter said:
  

  Well, you know the punchline here right? (disclaimer: I have no proof of anything here, but just linking names seen) Here is a guy who puts out a product called “Google Predator.” And what is really amazing is it was a decent product in itself. Not sure how much of the story behind it is true now, but much of what is in it is verified information on how to do some of your run of the mill affiliate marketing etc. I know because I had bought it and had even left a comment.

  Someone emailed me several months going back, asking me about that product - or my comments on it and asking me to check out another offering from “Andy”. Well, I went to the page which was an offer on him making some kind of site and using plr and blah blah blah and it was a grand or so, but what caused my immediate response of “Whoa Nelly” was that he was looking for people to send him a wire transfer of money I believe in order to make the payment. What? Huh? Huge giveaway that something had drastically changed.

  I have gone to some really nice places in my life, but it never guarantees that the company there is always on the up and up. I hate to see people feeling so negative about WF, because there are a lot of good people there too. Bad elements will always be attracted to good places. There is no way to ever completely avoid that.

  Anyway, I’m slightly confused by some of the conversation above. When looking at the adswap ad, it is signed by a guy named “Dave.” Then we have andyt2011 who endorses Dave. But somehow Paul is getting emails from an Andy Tudor. If I had signed up for a service from Dave, I would have thought I would get emails or communication from Dave? Even the skype name says David Rivera. I’m confused on why Paul is addressing him as Andy so early in the game.

  “After the scammer failed to fulfill his end of the deal, Paul sent him this email:

  Hello Andy,”

  This tells me somewhere along the line, Dave changed his name and made that known to Paul?

  Help me out here.

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• rehema said:
  

  Hallo Eric,i have read that scammer confession,ofcourse it hurts alot, i have scammed too once and there are alot of those emails still flowing in my email everyday.i have stopped reading them.

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• Spill said:
  

  They are really that tricky..

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• Stephen said:
  

  I think it’s not surprising that after all the hype that’s gone on forever - click here tomake millions and live the blah blah lifestyle - that this guy decided to cash in.

  He seems like a scumbag, but the fact he has scammed so many people suggests that so many people are not looking before they leap. It’s called due diligence.

  I have been scammed a couple of time some years ago, like many no doubt have - even some of the so-called big names are just bogus crooks - so now I’m much more careful.

  Perhaps the Warrior Forum should have a vetting procedure that requires, say, 100 votes from established members with some cred before a new member can post or advertise. If a scammer can get past 100 vets, then he’s got some skill. If not, it’ll clean up the forum pronto. Cheers

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• Richard Farley said:
  

  Hey Eric! Great post! Your site and you are one of the few I have recommended directly to my list without any affiliation on my part as I think you are one of the good guys. And I’ve done some business with Paul Counts so I know he is on the up and up too.

  I remember back in college, I had a roommate for a while who was a con artist, who used pretty much the same reasoning as this creep, and I read an article about a grifter who used it, too.

  These people (if I can use that term so loosely) always seem to think that they are doing a public service, i.e., teaching the “stupid” or “trusting” a lesson. I guess that sort of rationalization is how they keep from admitting to themselves what useless, dirty, crooked, reptilian parasites they really are.

  Thanks for the post. Let’s all do everything we can do to stop them.

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• Melissa said:
  

  Hello, Eric

  I’m writing because i think i may have been scammed, i say (i think) because i don’t know yet as I’m still waiting for replies to my emails.

  I paid $997 for (COMMISSION SIPHON) nearly 3 weeks ago and not once have they replied to my emails.

  Commission Siphon was recommended to me by (SAM BENJAMIN from Commission Tackers) and I’m searching for answers. Have you ever heard of any of them?

  I strongly feel that (the man calling himself simon) has taken advantage of me and just taken my $997.

  I paid the $997 in god faith on Thursday the 4th of 2011 and due to the fact that this is a recent purchase, im trying to get fresh information on the above businesses.

  I am writing to you as i don’t who else to write to as they don’t have a phone number.
  I’m not sure when or if i should take legal action against (Commission Siphon).
  I hope you are able to give me some advice.
  Thank you kindly.
  Melissa.

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  • Micah said:
    

    Hello Melissa,

    We recommend that you try contacting them with another email address, in case they accidentally marked your initial email as spam, and are not receiving your messages.

    If you paid electronically, you should be able to get your money back if you act quickly.

    Payments made via PayPal may be sought within 60 days from purchase, or your bank can issue a charge back as a last resort.

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• Guido E. Zecckine III said:
  

  I’d just like to say “SHAME ON YOU” to the scammer.

  I follow Eric’s Tips and Mr. Eric has NEVER sent me ANY unwelcomed e-mail… as a matter of FACT, Eric’s mails are some of the hundreds of mails that I get DAILY, and ERIC’S MAILS GET OPENED AND READ! Why? Because he provides REAL SUBJECT MATTER, that is usually REVELANT to what I do online and is ALWAYS helpful.

  I think the scammer talked about here is the WORST KIND OF INTERNET MARKETER THERE IS!

  I own my own business, and I myself couldn’t afford to pay for a NEEDED service and NOT GET THAT SERVICE.

  $400.00 is still FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS!

  If I give you $400 for a service I never get… I’d find your REAL NAME and I’d hunt you down and give you a good ‘ole BackYard Mississippi ASS WHOOPIN’!!!

  Eric Holmlund has been a godsend in my e-mail box, always providing me with USEFUL AND RELEVANT INFORMATION I can actually USE!

  I actually have an inbox of Eric’s Tips save so I can GO BACK and RE-READ the emails…

  I LIKE to get mails from Eric, as a matter of fact, it makes my day to see his name on my e-mail inbox list!

  I don’t know what can be done about this, but I can almost assure 100%, that after something like this everyone will be a LOT more careful about sending money to someone WITHOUT getting to know them FIRST!

  I have been an Internet Marketing “Warrior” for over 8 years, and I get a LOT of good tips from that forum myself… I have for YEARS, and it’s a GREAT place for Internet Marketers to go and hang out, or to do JV’s etc…

  SCAMMING PEOPLE IN MY WORLD… get’s you a personal, up close, in your face, with your wife and kids watching… ASS WHOOPING!

  Take MY money and run… your butt better go live in Osama Bin Laden’s old cave or somewhere I CANNOT find you… ‘cos $400 is still $400 to me!

  SHAME ON THE SCAMMERS!

  THANKS TO ERIC HOLMLUND!

  I will CONTINUE to subscribe here, and remain a “WARRIOR” until they close the forum… but now I’m even MORE wary of stuff just like this… grrrr

  Thanks Eric, YOU ROCK!
  Guido E. Zecckine III - Owner - iDigitalHosting.COm

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• Guido E. Zecckine III said:
  

  p/s For ANYONE reading this thread… ERIC CAN BE TRUSTED! I have given Eric my PERSONAL information as well as my PUBLIC information… why? SO HE CAN CONTACT ME… duh!

  I’d not only recommend Eric Holmlund to my friends and family, but to ANYONE doing Internet Marketing PERIOD!

  I have ZERO hesitation to sending info to MY OWN LIST about Eric’s offers and tips!

  Did I say ZERO HESITATION? Z E R O hesitation…

  I actually feel HONORED to be on Eric’s list so I CAN receive his e-mails!

  An Internet Marketer with class!!! ERIC HOLMLUND!

  You don’t have to take my word for it folks… SUBSCRIBE TO EVERYTHING THIS MAN OFFERS! You will NOT be disappointed! I promise!

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• Bill (LoneWolf) Nickerson said:
  

  This is a pretty tough story, but I’m sure it’s not the last time this will happen. I’ve heard of people who buy products on Clickbank and get the refund before they’ve even finished downloading the product. Pretty sad, really.

  I’ve just joined IMTrustworthy.com (set up by Omar Martin) which may be a way to help stem this tide.

  I don’t know if it will work, but it might help. It gives honest marketers an avenue to self police ourselves. We set up our own profile and we can rate each other.

  Omar explains it much better, so go check it out and see if you think this will work.

  https://imtrustworthy.com/?rid=13490

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• Bob said:
  

  Hey Eric,

  Have you heard anything about Andy Tudor who sold a deal where he would build you a website for $997, whereby he guarantees that you will make between $2,000 and $5,000 per month??

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  • Eric said:
    

    I’ve not heard of that one, but the guarantee certainly “sounds too good to be true”…

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• Richard Mortimer said:
  

  Hey Eric,

  Thanks so much for taking the time to post this. Are we talking about PHP Andy here? It certainly seems so. There is a ring of familiarity about it. He told me his name was Anderson Smith. He told me he was a Christian (not that I believed him..) I put a PayPal dispute on thousands I’d paid him for programming work. But, I didn’t do it right, and I got a commitment from him… bad move!

  Basically, both Aaron Leighton and me are out thousands. I certainly can’t afford that! I think you are right, he targets nice guys (or we are more easily sucked in). But, in a sense, I am quite glad he has tripped over some bigger hitters than me…

  I posted a thread on Warriors last year, but it wasn’t noticed. There again, if names change, etc.

  Thanks,

  Richard

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• Richard Mortimer said:
  

  Hey Eric,

  Here’s a thorny one! I really wanted a ‘good’ product by a well respected marketer. But, he had a continuity program attached to it. So, I had to sign up to that to get the product I wanted. So far, so good. Right?

  Well, here’s the problem: I forgot about it! I don’t know how that happened, but it did..! Plus, this money was going out of my bank account, via my debit card (so I did not notice it - I monitor my PayPal accounts)!

  Anyway, 10 months later I noticed this payment for $97pm. Did not recognise the company, so I Googled it! I came to a site saying, “this is not what you are looking for, go here…” (another company by the same name). So, I thought it was well dodgy…

  Then, I found it was a highly respected marketer. Contacted their help-desk, and after a few exchanges they refunded 3 months “as a courtesy!” But, I am still out nearly $700.

  I explained to them that I did not want the continuity product. If you miss the month, you can’t get it back…! Plus, I did not have the time.

  They offered me more months free, but I still would not get my $700 value. All I was asking for was $700 value for my money and even made some suggestions as to what that might be. They stopped replying…

  So, I am out $700 because I made a mistake! Is that right? I know I would do everything I could to help a client of mine in the same position.

  So, here’s my question: Are continuity programs ethical?

  My opinion is that, its right on the edge. Basically, I am being forced to buy something I don’t really want..! Also, what if someone forgets, like I did? By keeping my money, they are saying, “Tough luck! We designed this so that if you forgot to cancel your standing order, we would ‘legally’ have your money!” Which they do, unfortunately!

  That must be unethical, surely? Even though (right now) its legal!

  Thanks,

  Richard

  PS: I feel like naming and shaming the marketer, but thought better of it!

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  • Eric said:
    

    Continuity programs are not inherently unethical. It’s an ideal format for membership sites with new content each month, etc.

    Just like any other ongoing service you pay for, like phone or cable.

    But many marketers use unethical means of hiding the continuity portion, like putting it in the fine print or not mentioning it at all. Obviously that’s not OK.

    In the case of forgetting, that’s a tough one.

    Interestingly, I did forget that I was paying for DSL one time (after switching to cable) and ended up paying for it for the next year. Amazingly when I mentioned it to Qwest, they did refund a decent portion of my payments.

    So your request is certainly not unreasonable, but it’s really up to the vendor. I think your request for $700 of value (maybe from other products or a consultation call) is very reasonable, and would make sense in such a situation. That way the vendor does not have to go back and refund many months of payments that you forgot about (which is not the vendor’s fault).

    Now if the vendor billed you without properly telling you about it when you signed up… that’s a whole ‘nother story.

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• Trav said:
  

  This Andy guy is a real piece of garbage!

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• blog names said:
  

  Wow, what an interesting read. It makes me think that if a seasoned veteran marketer can be scammed, what hope is there for newbies? It is scary and sad that this goes on…especially in internet marketing. No wonder this industry get such a bad rap.

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• Byron said:
  

  Beyond the Scam it’s evident that there’s some scary people out there. I wonder what other crimes this guy does offline. SHIT

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• kay said:
  

  Hello Eric,.

  I am interested in this programme.
  I am based in London. I understand that this programme is available in many countries.
  But I have few questions-

  (1)Will the adverts I create are from UK or any part of the word or USA?

  (2) Will clickbank pay me in pounds or dollars?

  (3) on first page, you mentioned I need credit card…
  I have UK credit card …Is that fine? (i think should be , as the programme is for all around the word, not just USA)
  I would appreciate if you can answer above queries.
  Thanks
  Also,
  hi Eric,

  I have started to learn your programme…
  I am disappointed at step 3:-

  AS per your instruction I have gone through market place to select a company…
  the link you gave is opening the categories and sub-catergoris but there is no box saying [ear 40%] etc…

  Why is that?

  Why the example you have shown has those links and when i am trying to find …its not there…

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  • Eric said:
    

    Hi Kay, which program are you referring to?

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    • kay said:
      

      hi eric, I am referring to the programme in which we choose affilicate and
      write adverts for the, … its the ‘writing ach programme’….

      I started to read and follow the steps but like i said I could not find the word in bracket ile. [earn xy%]…….on the example it can be seen..but when I start, links appearing without the bracket ….hope you can tell me what to do..kay

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      • Eric said:
        

        Hi Kay, I am sorry to say the writing cash progam is currently outdated. PPC marketing still works (see lesson #73 and 74) but it has become increasingly difficult to use PPC to drive traffic to affiliate offers. You can’t just send AdWords clicks to an affiliate link. Instead, you must focus on creating a good website that you can drive traffic to first. I plan on turning the writing cash program over to a new owner soon to update it, as I haven’t had time lately. Sorry again. All the lessons on this website are still valid, and I recommend my coaching club to stay on top of the latest strategies.

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• Karen said:
  

  What a piece of work!!

  I spend a lot of time on WF but fortunately have not (as far as I know…) encountered this miserable excuse for a human being.

  The self congratulations are unbelievable!!

  I really feel for the people who have been duped by this idiot.

  Thank you for making people aware of this.

  Regards

  Karen

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• dina said:
  

  Hey People, I’m Dina. I have been scammed so many times by different magician scammers, I have a brain tumor, So i have been looking for a cure every way possible, But the Good part now is that i finally found the right one, He has helped me in so many ways, he does all sorts of charms. I am so happy right now, I’m not suffering any longer. Omar is the real thing, I’m sharing this cos i know many more people are being scammed too, So you don’t have to look no further. jch91001@gmail.com That’s his email add, You can contact me also if you would like to know more, dinalookingforu@yahoo.com. Chao

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• Freda said:
  

  I thought that one of the purposes of affiliate marketers was to refer their lists of prospects to product owners whom they knew and trusted and therefore recommended to their followers. People are just recommending products even if they don’t know anything about them or the owners just to make a fast commission. This is probably one of the many ways the guys get away with things like this.

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• Down Or Just Me said:
  

  Oh my god, I can’t believe that people like this exist in the world! Reading the gloating e-mail after the scam was completed just disgusts me, it is a crazy world out there! Thanks for sharing this, though, I think it’s definitely important for people to read.

  ~Laurie

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• Ansar Pasha said:
  

  Wow… this guys comments are infuriating!

  Don’t know how Socrates and you guys handled that garbage… really hope you guys shut this moron down. Looks like the pieces are coming together though… can’t wait for the exciting conclusion
  Ansar

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• Z said:
  

  Here are a few details (from January, real or fake?) if anyone wants to take a trip to Bucharest or if anyone has banking connections:

  Name: Tudor, George Andrei
  Address: Bld. Theodor Pallady nr.17, Bl. U27, Sc.1, Ap.91, Bucuresti, Romania, postal code: 032254
  Email: supportwf at seotopservices dot com
  IBAN Account Number: RO87 CRDZ 024A 1378 2048 8001
  SWIFT Code: CRDZROBU
  Bank Address: NexteBank, Sucursala Tineretului, Calea Vacaresti nr. 278, Bl.68, Sector 4, Bucuresti, Romania.

  These details are from January, when he tried to do the made-for-you Google Predator scam. I didn’t fall for it but tried to extract details from him and this is the closest I got. Whether the name and address are correct or not I don’t know.

  I think the IP he used at the time was 89.43.194.15 - but that doesn’t really help now. Didn’t see this post until now.

  Also, here is a thread that is interesting reading. This is from 2009, when he was running his scams locally in Romania. (In Romanian, thru a Goog translator).

  http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=ro&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://forum.softpedia.com/lofiversion/index.php/t496740.html

  Enjoy.

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• Z said:
  

  And here is another link: We can all sleep safer now that we know that our friend George Andrei Tudor has taken a course to develop his entrepreneurial skills. (He is no. 45 on the list - IF this is in fact him, which I think it is.) So - more exciting “synoptic business plans” to follow on the Warrior Forum maybe, so that he can “facilitate his access to finance”?

  “MIMMCMA program to develop entrepreneurial skills among young people and facilitate their access to finance - “START” “SYNOPTIC BUSINESS PLANS”

  http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&u=http://www.aippimm.ro/articol/programe/start/centralizator_plan_afaceri

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• Nathan said:
  

  “It’s only $450 man, it’s not much at all,”

  Haven’t he ever thought that he is taking $450 worth of food away from his victim’s family table ?

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• Kevin said:
  

  Eric,

  This post seems like BS? Why would a guy admit to committing a crime via email that someone could take to the cops or FTC? I think you have been duped by your friend. Even the stupidest scammer would not admit to these crimes.

  Kevin

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• JD said:
  

  This man is not in the U.S. He is in Bucharest, Romania. And I have made local police aware of him. They know who he is. He owes me a refund from incomplete work he promised to do. I have heard back from the Police, but they have yet to make anything happen. I heard from the scammer, Andy, in July 2011, when he wrote me that he would refund my money in two weeks. Havent heard from him since. Waiting to hear back from Romanian Police. I and the police know his real identity and his last known address. Whether the police there will resolve this is anybodys guess.

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